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To: Batrachian
You're right. Most Americans are quite tolerant, which is why we're sinking into a morass of immorality like the Romans, and we'll wind up in the same place too. In the history books.

Nonsense. What homosexuals do to or with each other in no way influences the morality or immorality of the American people. In any event, the Roman comparison is silly. Rome lasted for a 1000 years. If America lasts that long, we should be so lucky.

So if homosexuality is A-OK, then why not let them get married? That's where the "sanctity of marriage" argument breaks down.

I'm fairly neutral on this subject, but I have to ask: How would allowing homosexuals to marry in any way influence heterosexual marriage?

17 posted on 07/16/2004 8:34:02 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman

The same way that using an Easy-Bake oven could screw up a dinner party for fourteen guests.


22 posted on 07/16/2004 8:39:07 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Modernman
"How would allowing homosexuals to marry in any way influence heterosexual marriage?"

It doesn't, which is the point I keep trying to make. Marriage isn't the real issue. It's a stalking horse. Homosexuality is the issue. Once you approve of one you have to approve of the other.

As for the Romans, they lasted 1,000 years because the pace of life back then was so much slower, without modern communications or transportation. It's probably equal to 200 years of today. It's widely understood that Rome collapsed because of moral decay. Just like us.

24 posted on 07/16/2004 8:42:01 AM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Modernman; Batrachian
"Nonsense. What homosexuals do to or with each other in no way influences the morality or immorality of the American people."

You're wrong. As homosexuals submit to their perverted, deviant behavior, they have no self-control or discipline which eventually surfaces in other aspects of their lives. Those who aren't wise look at what is done now and convince themselves there are no immediate consequences, so they think they can continue to engage in risky behavior. They don't connect their long-term destruction as a result. Then, they errantly conclude there are no negative end results to OTHER behavioral issues.

It's no wonder many are or become drug abusers, pedophiles, exhibitionists, and the list continues. It is on that premise that what they do DOES impact society - every aspect.

For "straights" to be forced to accept them as "normal" only exacerbates the problem. No one can be corrected if they're never told they're wrong or can prevent hurt when they're not told that what they're doing is harmful to both them and those around them.

Communicable diseases are found to be more rampant and much harder to contain and cure among the homosexual community. Their health care cost alone, and its impact to society is enormous when they seek treatment and dangerously caustic to society if they remain undiagnosed..

41 posted on 07/16/2004 9:05:05 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Modernman
How would allowing homosexuals to marry in any way influence heterosexual marriage?

Quite simple. If any part of marriage is up for grabs, then every part of marriage is up for grabs. In the same way as asking "why a man and a woman" then we open up "why 2 people"? "why the same species"? "why not father-daughter or mother-son"? Reproduction answers are excluded since homosexuals cannot reproduce. Any mechanism they use is available to siblings, peers and even species.

The only one of these models of co-existance that can be justified in any way besides "because I wanna" is the unrelated Male-Female union, which forms the basis for the nuclear family which forms the basis for our society.

So, if we open it up, then it cases to exist. Period.

95 posted on 07/16/2004 1:57:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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