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GOP has star-power dilemma: How will party use Schwarzenegger? [Kerry vs. Arnold?]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | June 19, 2004 | Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer

Posted on 06/18/2004 3:59:50 PM PDT by RonDog

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To: doodlelady; IPWGOP
HERE is an image of President Bush overpowering JF'nK, now posted on FReeper IPWGOP's profile page:

Hello to all.

My name is Linda Eddy and I am the webmaster AND political cartoonist for

www.IowaPresidentialWatch.com

'tooning the truth

-- here is my shameless self-promotion webpage! --

Could you do a SIMILAR image for our "Arnold vs. Kerry/Streisand" FReep - with ARNOLD's beefy fist choking Kerry's scrawny neck?

161 posted on 06/19/2004 12:31:48 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Tamsey
The minute Arnold announced on Jay Leno that he was running for Govenor, his Hollywood persona took over. He immediately had more support then Tom McClintock. California Republicans dropped McClintock and began to drool over the idea of having Arnold as governor. The Arnold sycophants were born. You people are so infatuated with Arnold, that you're blinded by the political reality of what could have been.

Bottomline. McClintock could have beaten Bustamonte and all this nonsense about Arnold being the second coming of Ronald Reagan would be of no consequence. Instead, California got what they deserved. A liberal RINO for Governor.

162 posted on 06/19/2004 12:36:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Gracey

Thanks for sharing.

I am glad to hear that some conservatives judge Arnold by his actions, which have been pretty good and pretty conservative so far and I am sure it will continue to be that way.

When I think of Arnold and the uncompromising "so-called coanservatives" what it think of, is the saying:

"It's better to light a candle, than curse the darkness".

Arnold is lighting candles one at a time. The "so-called conservatives" prefer to do nothing, but sit there and curse the darkness and complain that there is no light, but every time someone wants to light a candle, they curse that person too.


163 posted on 06/19/2004 1:12:28 AM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion; Reagan Man

Thanks, FO. So what say you, RM? Is this quote really Ronald Reagan or is it some Hollywood imposter with a persona bigger than life?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/960104/posts

Follow that thread and you'll, also, find that RR campaigned for the Brady Bill.

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it." - Gives you a tingly feeling doesn't it, RM.


164 posted on 06/19/2004 5:33:52 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: counterpunch
I said American icon. Just like Ronald Reagan was before he became a Republican hero.

And in #67 you said, "Keep it in context. I said they are both American icons and Republican heroes."

Which is it?

Now, you seem to be projecting my statements about public perception directly on to me regarding your comments about my "hero-worship". I understand many things, and one of those is that when an actor like Arnold Schwarzenegger takes center stage a political convention, a hell of a lot more people are going to tune in. Call that hero-worship if you want. I know what puts asses on seats.

Oh - it's about "asses in seats"! Why didn't you say so? Hell, let's forget about politics then - why don't we have Jessica Simpson as the keynote speaker? She'll draw teenagers interest.

The reality is, it's about reaching a happy medium by presenting charismatic people that will articulate the party's platform. Arnold, by his own admission, disagrees with the platform on many points.

I live in California. And I'm a realist.

Counterpunch-to-English Tranlation: I don't believe conservative values have any appeal, because they don't appeal to me.

165 posted on 06/19/2004 6:18:41 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Southack
Thanks, but 56% just isn't believable for a state that a year before had re-elected Davis over Simon.

You ask for the poll, and then simply disregard it.

And who's the intellectually dishonest one here?

166 posted on 06/19/2004 6:24:19 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion
According to them "real conservatives" prefer Democrats being elected. But none of them can explain how that will advance the conservative agenda.

I believe "you" told us that CA was a liberal state and therefore required a more "centrist" candidate than other states. Well, you got him.

And now you're trying to foist the California brand of "liberalism" on the nation as a whole...it almost makes one believe you're simply interested in "liberalism". That you only threw CA in there as a red herring so you could incrementally move the GOP "left".

But that can't be...LOL.

167 posted on 06/19/2004 6:32:24 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: calcowgirl
That poll question was, of course, based upon a fallacious (and totally IMAGINARY) premise...
6. If the choice were between Cruz Bustamante, the Democrat and Tom McClintock, the Republican, who would you be more likely to vote for: Cruz Bustamante or Tom McClintock?
...as in the expression, "if pigs had wings."


168 posted on 06/19/2004 8:51:05 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: RGSpincich
The first time I read that quote was when I read the book. The first time I remember it being posted on FR was several years ago. I believe it was posted by FReeper Luis Gonzalaz, if I'm not mistaken. I've used it myself on occasion while battling the fringe extremists on the rightwing.

That quote by Reagan came during his years as Governor of California. He was talking about a small group of stubborn Republicans that he called "radical conservatives'. Since the Democrats controlled the legislature, Reagan would have to deal with them first and he didn't want members of his own party attacking him from the right. That's what the quote is all about.

Ronald Reagan was a staunch conservative, as well as a practical politician. He was well known as a compromiser and a negotiator his entire political career. He compromised and negotiated as Governor and as President, but never surrendered his core principles or beliefs.

In the early 1990`s, Reagan did campaign for the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban. I believe he called them "commonsensed" legislation. After fully supporting the Second Amendment his entire life, this switch by Reagan was a surpise, but understandable. After all, James Brady was his press secretary and an old friend, and Reagan was shot himself. Let's not forget, Reagan was out of office and was free to make any decision he wanted. Under the circumstances, he sided with his old friend, but his decision was deadwrong. Arnold supports an extension of the Brady Bill/Assault Weapons Ban. If PresBush signs an extension of the Brady Bill/Assault Weapons Ban this year, he will be defeated in November. Right now, it looks like a dead issue. Thank God.

Btw, if you read the post you linked to, you will notice a FReeper called holdonnow. His real name is Mark Levin, "The Great One". Conservative, Republican, lawyer, commentator and liberal basher. In a class with Ann Coulter. He makes some valid points on this issue and his analysis can be applied to Arnold. He said, "There's a difference between compromise and surrender on important domestic issues." He is right.

You're attempts to apply this Reagan quote to Arnold isn't invalid. Arnold Schwarzenegger is no Ronald Reagan. Arnold is a political liberal. Reagan was a political conservative. Arnold may admire Reagan for many reasons, but its not for Reagan's politics.

169 posted on 06/19/2004 9:16:33 AM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: RGSpincich
correction: "... isn't invalid... "
170 posted on 06/19/2004 9:28:02 AM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man; RGSpincich
You're attempts to apply this Reagan quote to Arnold isn't invalid.

You're right for once. That means it is valid.

171 posted on 06/19/2004 9:53:51 AM PDT by b9 ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" Emerson)
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To: RonDog
"Flying pig" graphic (posted above) from www.communicatewithimpact.com
172 posted on 06/19/2004 10:00:55 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: doodlelady

Open your eyes. I made the correction.


173 posted on 06/19/2004 10:04:12 AM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: RonDog

Great idea...should Kerry be holding a flip-flop in each hand?


174 posted on 06/19/2004 10:04:34 AM PDT by b9 ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" Emerson)
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To: Reagan Man

Actually, you got it right the first time. God works in mysterious ways.


175 posted on 06/19/2004 10:05:28 AM PDT by b9 ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" Emerson)
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To: doodlelady
>>>Actually, you got it right the first time.

Actually, you're wrong.

176 posted on 06/19/2004 10:10:28 AM PDT by Reagan Man (THE CHOICE IS CLEAR..........RE-ELECT BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man

But you weren't, in spite of yourself.
Enjoy your day. Hope it's sunny in CSprings.
I'm going to a Veterans for Bush rally in Balboa Park.


177 posted on 06/19/2004 10:16:56 AM PDT by b9 ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm" Emerson)
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To: doodlelady; Reagan Man

RM's contention that I am somehow tying Reagan to Arnold is invalid. I never got into that. My concern is an accurate portrayal of Reagan's form of politics.


178 posted on 06/19/2004 10:19:25 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Keith

"what's a stem-winder?"


LOL!!! Reminds me that NOBODY winds a watch anymore...same thing for "dialing" a phone...

...crikey! Ahmmm gittin' old!!!!


179 posted on 06/19/2004 10:19:44 AM PDT by paulat
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To: doodlelady; Reagan Man
Open your eyes. I made the correction.

Correct me if I'm wrong. It looks the same to me ...both times.

180 posted on 06/19/2004 10:23:19 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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