[JohnnyZ]

And since when is the church opposed to 25 million people being freed, anyway? They're aren't opposed, and you know it! The church opposes war until the last resort, and did not think Iraq was at last resort stage.

I think you are mixed up, friend

I'm not your friend, and you're willfully spreading whatever lies you think will hurt the Church.

[Peach]

Tell me ONE lie I've told about the church?

That they refused to let separated/divorced women and men receive the sacrament? Nope. That happened to tens of thousands of people.

That they have let priests sexually abuse children? Nope. THat isn't a lie. It came out in their hearings that they KNOWLINGLY moved "problem" priests. Moved them so they could abuse sexually more unsuspecting children.

You want to defend that? Go right ahead.

I have stated on this thread that I miss the church. I loved the church. But it has a past. And it isn't pretty. But be an appeaser. Let the priests keep abusing children and ruining lives. Then look yourself in the mirror and keep telling yourself that is Christian.

[ninenot]

Your assertion about the Church's position on Iraq is ignorant at best. The Pope is not supposed to be a cheerleader for war, but he recognized the authority that GWB had to do what he did as licit.

There has been NO "official" or "unofficial" condemnation of the effort in Iraq. There has been some silly chatter from one Cardinal, whose remarks have been studiously ignored by others in the Vatican--pointedly.