Posted on 06/11/2004 9:00:42 PM PDT by nuconvert
After seeing a picture of people standing across the street from the Cathedral holding signs saying, "Reagan is in Hell" nothing would surprise me. As much as I despise the Clintons I would never do something like that at their funeral.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe you should explore the very public politics of President Reagan's son before making your own ill informed judgments.
your ridiculous claim that the earlobe comment was steeped in homoeroticism
vs.
what I said way back in this thread:
"The ear-lobe story was definitely not OK, it was slanted to try to appear homoerotic or at least hint at it."
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what is your agenda in distorting what I said? and what kind of person do you think you are addressing? and why is your argument style essentially name-calling: eg: ridiculous, preposterous, outlandish ?
Are you trying to persuade me of something? Then why change what I said? why call me names? why state that I am bizarre and disturbed ...and the rest?
Really, what are your intentions and aim?
Are you going to respond to my questions with another burst from your cannon about how dare I make such terrible suggestions about Ron Reagan who would never dream of doing any such thing? If so spare me, please.
I 've only bothered to respond to this after 10 times telling myself I would not, because I foolishly believe that most people are of good will and will eventually engage in discussion, not name-calling.
Hey, I dont have anything invested in the claim that the earlobe story was trying to play around the edges at Ron and his friends are uptight and would get spooked by something ambiguously perhaps suggesting something of a homoerotic nature about the national hero while at the same time not actually doing so and letting anyone who claimed it to be so to be easily dismissed as a perve.
That's my perception of what Ron was trying to do. If I was wrong, so what. Are you trying to tell me that no one should dare say that they perceive such a thing on this FR site becaue otherwise the castigators will arise to call names? Is that what you really want to convey?
That isn't all he did! He used a national platform that should have been all about his father to make a gratuitous, political slam at Bush. I repeat, he politicized the event, not his critics on this thread or anyone else who noticed what he did. We're just reacting to him. I can't help you if your political antennae are so insensitive or if you're so naive that you don't know what he was doing. What is certain is that he knew exactly what he was doing, i.e., slamming Bush while he had a national audience.
It was tacky, tasteless and disrespectful of his father. But then, that's what Naderite, failed ballet dancer and failed journalist Ron Reagan Jr. has always been.
Reagan's parents were notoriously remote from their four children. Ron Jr. reportedly had the closest relations with his parents and he remains close with his mother, Nancy Reagan, who as the keeper of the Reagan flame is often called upon to dedicate public sites bearing her husband's name. Reagan says his mother shares is "distrust of some of these [Bush] people. She gets that they're trouble in all kinds of ways. She doesn't like their religious fervor, their aggression."
This reinforces what I have long thought about the pretty boy. There were books and other stories about Nancy's hostility toward the Bushes stemming from GHWB's competing with Ronnie for the GOP nomination in 1980. She was definitely a mother-bear. She was absolutely amazing this week.
You're more than welcome to claim anything you want, as it is my right to press forward with a counterargument. However, you seem to think that you can post whatever you want and be free from any criticism; it doesn't work that way.
I have not heard one word of criticism, that's the point.
You must be one of the souls that believe you can lose your salvation. Show me a scripture. My Bible says I am saved forever. You can only get to heaven on Christ's merits, nothing you can do , good or bad, can affect that.
All three did a great job except for that one line of Ron's. Michael Reagan is by far the most like his father. He also has two beautiful children which I think may be a "jealousy" factor.
"Mike Reagan turned me off with his "I'm going to heaven" line. Arrogant. Only God decides who goes to Heaven."
There is not an arrogant bone in Michael's body and if anyone is going to heaven, he surely will.
I feel for Nancy because she obviously had immense love for her husband. However she was always hateful toward Michael.
And the comment of wearing religion on a sleeve: I am not a religious person in any sense but I would rather have a president like GWB who is sincere in his Christian faith rather than a First Lady who uses stupid New Age crap like astrology behind the scenes.
I guess there's a reason why my grandfather always referred to Ronald Reagan as his "good president who wasn't afraid of Russia" while referring to Nancy as "the Meatball."
Bro, I saw it NO other way...If Ronnie Jr. were pitching, the pitch would have been behind the ear of Dubya Bush.
Amen, bro.
Will Bill Clinton go to heaven when dies?
God’s grace gift of eternal life is there free for every wretched soul on this planet. It is up to the each individual to reach out to God through his Son Jesus Christ and to ask for forgiveness and repent and turn away from his/her sin. Yes, even Bill Clinton can go to heaven. God loves everyone equally. God wants all to have eternal life but he gave us free choice so we would not be automatons. What God created in the beginning was good it was man’s choice to sin that separated us from him. But God’s love is also eternal so through Jesus Christ God bridged the gulf for us if we will listen to Him and make Him our personal savior. It is that simple.
What everyone also seems to br overlooking is that I'm sure Nancy knew every word the kids where going to say.
Well, if Clinton is going to heaven, then I'd rather go to hell, because spending eternity with Clinton would be hell.
And neither does President Bush, contrary to what Ron Jr. may think.
Please re-read my remarks to you and see there isn't a speck of "hate" nor rant to be found. I am in complete agreement that the week was a solemn, uplifting, breathtaking display of honor, nobility, ceremony and patriotism, that I will never forget and I will always be grateful to the Reagan family for opening the services for all of us to witness and thereby participate in, in our own way.
This thread, however, was about the remarks specificially of Ron Reagan, and if you wish to ignore them, it is best to not come on and chastise others for discussing them, or worse, pretend the words were not said.
And please note, there is not one bit of "rancor" in the above objective comments.
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