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To: wtc911
Let's all ignore the eyewitness accounts rendered by retired FDNY and retired NYPD (see post 59) members who live in Belle Harbor and saw the event up close. We all know how unreliable those slackers are.

As a matter of fact, any accident investigator of any kind will tell you that eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony of all.

101 posted on 06/03/2004 9:53:19 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur

Yep, retired NYPD and FDNY, the least reliable people on the block. They were at different locations, but saw the same thing. I think I'll take their word for it.


112 posted on 06/03/2004 10:11:05 AM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: sinkspur

Yep, retired NYPD and FDNY, the least reliable people on the block. They were at different locations, but saw the same thing. I think I'll take their word for it.


113 posted on 06/03/2004 10:11:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: sinkspur

"As a matter of fact, any accident investigator of any kind will tell you that eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony of all."

This might be true with one witness, but not two who stated virtually the same observations.


117 posted on 06/03/2004 10:13:44 AM PDT by HighWheeler ("Would I turn on the gas if my pal Mugsy were in there?" "Ye might rabbit, ye might." Bugs, 1954)
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To: sinkspur
As a matter of fact, any accident investigator of any kind will tell you that eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony of all.

Shhhhh, don't say that. Can't let facts get in the way of conspiracy theories.

The Witness Group has received 349 accounts from eyewitnesses, either through direct interviews or through written statements. An initial summary of those statements follows:

· 52% specifically reported seeing a fire while the plane was in the air, with the fuselage being the most often cited location (22%). Other areas cited as a fire location were the left engine, the right engine or an unspecified engine, and the left wing, the right wing or an unspecified wing.

· 8% specifically reported seeing an explosion.
· 20% specifically reported seeing no fire at all.
· 22% reported observing smoke; 20% reported no smoke.
· 18% reported observing the airplane in a right turn; another 18% reported observing the airplane in a left turn. · 13% observed the airplane "wobbling," dipping" or in "side to side" motion.
· 74% observed the airplane descend.
· 57% reported seeing "something" separate from the airplane; 13% reported observing the right wing, left wing or an undefined wing separate; 9% specifically reported observing no parts separate.

http://www.ntsb.gov/pressrel/2002/020604.htm

124 posted on 06/03/2004 1:57:18 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: sinkspur
As a matter of fact, any accident investigator of any kind will tell you that eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony of all.

Many investigators and most courts would disagree with that.

133 posted on 06/03/2004 3:51:06 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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