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To: jwalsh07
How much deader can a 1 day old Binary GB 155mm arty shell make you than a ten year old Binary GB 155mm arty shell?

Here's a question for you. If you were the leader of a country, an out of touch leader at that, would you expect your army and scientists, in a nation the size of Iraq to have fully dismantled even to the point that not even a trace could be found? From the Fox News story online (you do still accept them to be reliable don't you? That is until they start disagreeing with standard administration press releases I guess...)

Kimmitt said the shell belonged to a class of ordnance that Saddam's government said was destroyed before the 1991 Gulf war (search). Experts believe both the sarin and mustard gas weapons date back to that time.

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He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited.

So the most probable story would be that

A) the terrorists didn't even know and
B) the material dated back to the the early 1990s

Now of course in a nation the size of Iraq I imagine a lot of things could get lost, miscounted, etc. Look at our own defense system. Could you expect, if held accountable, for every weapon, shell, bullet, to be presented for counting? But hold onto the theory that even the administration has discounted. Don't know when it may be needed as an excuse to invade someone else...

Of course when this comes back as a false positive, I'm sure you'll be ready to recount the jubilation you've shown over one shell

551 posted on 05/17/2004 3:28:47 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
"Here's a question for you. If you were the leader of a country, an out of touch leader at that, would you expect your army and scientists, in a nation the size of Iraq to have fully dismantled even to the point that not even a trace could be found?"

No, I would expect my Army to hide those weapons not destroy them. I would ask my friends in Syria to hide these weapons for me. I would count on my friends in the U.N. to do everything possible to protect me from the truth, and to provide my troops and scientists the time to hide and move my weapons.

And I would expect America's own liberals to do everything they can to hamper the President of the United States.

552 posted on 05/17/2004 3:32:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: billbears

Too bad Saddam didn't cooperate more fully with the UN inspectors...he'd still be in power and you'd be a happier person. Without a job perhaps, but happier.


554 posted on 05/17/2004 3:42:24 PM PDT by Peach (,)
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To: jwalsh07

It's amazing that the thwarted WMD attack in Jordan has gotten so little attention and that the naysayers on this thread have forgotten that the Al Qaeda terrorists who were captured have admitted they worked out of Iraq for years on WMD.

As well, William Cohen, Clinton's Department of Defense Secretary, testified before the 9/11 commission that they knew that AQ were working in Iraq in 1997 on WMD.


555 posted on 05/17/2004 3:44:25 PM PDT by Peach (,)
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To: billbears

You forgot to answer the question. Bad form answering a question with a question.


557 posted on 05/17/2004 4:14:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: billbears; alpowolf

You are really funny in how you're trying to spin this.

"Kimmitt said the shell belonged to a class of ordnance that Saddam's government said was destroyed before the 1991 Gulf war (search). Experts believe both the sarin and mustard gas weapons date back to that time."

Sounds to me like SADDAM LIED! (shock and surprise) and he did NOT destroy the WMD like you so desperately want to believe. And that BUSH WAS RIGHT and that he was hiding the WMD and we WERE justified in going into Iraq last year.

"He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited"


Sounds like they were testing the effectiveness of what they had.

The Iraqi's and the terrorists that are coming in from Iran, Syria and the Palistinian Authority might not be the brightest bulbs in the chandiler but they aren't completely stupid. They see that they we've stopped, for the most part, wearing our protective masks when we go out on the streets. What better time than now, when we've gotten complacent about chemical and biological pretective measures to launch a small test bio/chem attack inside of an IED?

"Could you expect, if held accountable, for every weapon, shell, bullet, to be presented for counting? But hold onto the theory that even the administration has discounted."


As a matter of fact YES! I DID have to account for every bullet I had in EVERY ammo clip I had. I also had to be accountable for the rounds I had fired for an entire year too.

And sorry to disappoint you but BG Kimmett would NOT go to the podium today...telling the world media that the IED contained Sarin unless CJTF-7, LTG Sanchez...OCPA and Amb. Bremmer were COMPLETELY sure there was Sarin gas.

And there's no way that medics would stick an atropine injector in some guys leg uless he was DAMN SURE the guy was going to do the dying cockroach if he didn't.

Now...I SERIOUSLY doubt that either one of you armchair QB's have spent the last year in and among the people in Iraq like I have. Otherwise you wou;dn't be making these assinine assumptions and statements. So why don't you take your trolling Moby @sses bacy to the land of the DUmmies where you can live happily with the rest of the tin hat crowd!


573 posted on 05/17/2004 6:20:08 PM PDT by txradioguy (HOOAH!!!...Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life!!!)
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