Two US Soldiers injured in Sarin laced IED explosion (per Gen Kimmitt)

CENTCOM | 5/17/04

[Nexus]

Just now, looking for copy...

[Steve_Seattle]

The press will only admit to WMD's when they are actually used by terrorists; then they will blame Bush for the movement of the previously "non-existent" weapons from Saddam's arsenal into the hands of the terrorists. So the only way in which WMD's will be acknowledged will be when their use can be blamed on Bush.

[QQQQQ]

A very important fact:

"The round was an old `binary-type' shell in which two chemicals held in separate sections are mixed after firing to produce sarin, Kimmitt said. "

From Sarin Nerve Agent Bomb Explodes in Iraq

The reason this fact is important, is that Saddam could have had tons of the two chemicals kept separately, with the intent to put them in shells, such as this and create sarin. I bet that according to the UN inspectors and liberals having the two chemicals which create sarin wouldn't count as WMD, because they didn't store them as actual sarin. This, naturally is ludicrous.

The same is most likely true about other chemical weapons: Saddam could have created them at a moment's notice, but were not stored actually ready mixed.

With the biological weapons, he could just have kept a few vials, which he could have used to create more. I read he had a lot of material, for growing cultures.

I think Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell should demand an apology from the Democrats and the media, who basically called them liars over the WMD issue.

[wbill]

I would think that most people would expect to see a massive missile labeled "Weapon of Mass Destruction" targeted at Washington DC. There should be some flashing lights, and sirens. Maybe a digital countdown clock with a woman's soft voice saying "t-minus 10 minutes to launch...9.....8...."

That way, John Kerry can rush in, cut the red....no wait... blue wire and save the entire world.

The Hollywood-ization of America continues. My post is firmly tongue-in-cheek, but I wonder if that's what people think WMDs look like.

[Go Gordon]

It is absolutely BAFFLING to me WHY all the news about this story is NOT just the simple truthe that WMD have been FOUND.

The optimum word is "stockpiles" of WMD's have not been found. Keep that in mind over the next few days.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Does sarin have a short shelf life ?

Out in the open, it is not very effective, and can be made by any third rate wacko group with off the shelf chemicals.....

[Miss Marple]

To whoever e-mailed Fox, Linda Vester began her show talkeing about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Good work, whoever e-mailed them!

[Peach]

Thanks for the ping to that article.

[El Gato]

At least with Sarin you know right away. It is the undetected anthrax that worries me.

Coming soon to an indoor mall or convention center near you.

[Mo1]

Nah, the Swimmer who left Mary Jo to drown in his Oldsmobile always tells the truth < /heavy_sarcasm>

Hey .. he was just late getting to church

Yes for years my Dem mother believed that story till her kids grew up and straighten her out

[Peach]

Mustard gas and sarin gas found in Iraq. WMD found in Iraq.

Say it slow. Admit it. Don't spin it.

[Republican Red]

It's all coming together.

Kerry Flip-flops on Missing WMDs

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/29/100540.shtml

**While the Washington press corps seems to have missed it, WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg has been playing a clip of Sen. John Kerry in his biggest flip-flop yet - showing the presumptive Democratic nominee suddenly admitting that Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction may soon turn up.***
(excerpt)

Doesn't Kerry get some type of National Security brief now that he is the candidate? Anyone think he got a heads up on these shells. According to CNN and FOx the mustard gas was discovered about two weeks ago.

[El Gato]

Kimmitt said that it was a two chamber setup, where two chemicals have to mix to get the desired full result. Since it exploded on the ground and not launched from an artillery piece, I guess the process didn't have time to complete. Can anyone be more specific?

Not only that, but it exploded at ground level, whereas an airburst is needed for proper dispersal of the sarin or other CW agent.

[mdmathis6]

We use atropine in our ICU's to treat symtomatic nonjunctional sinus brady. (supresses vagal nerve) to speed up the heart. Atropine and some neuroleptic drugs(since they are atropine related) have atropine side effects,(psychosis, flushing, rapid heart rate, jittery "cogwheeling" motions and ataxic gait) If left to continue death could occur and/or more likely tardive diskinesia where the nervous system becomes permanently damaged.(sounds like a gas attack doesn't it? well that's the thing, you counter a very toxic agent with another very toxic antidote and the nervous system exists in tenuous equilibrium between the two, then you may have to add cogentin for the side effects of the antidote.)

I understand, unless IIBUSH or Texasflower have better info, that our soldiers in Iraq are given low daily doses of drugs to help counter any sudden attacks of nerve gas in addition to the antidote kits they are given(as well as their protective gear). What I'm not sure about is repeated assaults regarding gas and the availability of antidote doses in an on going battle scenario battle...though I'm sure the protective suits would have been donned. I, as a civilian, only know the same info as the other civilians as to sustainability in the field.

I have seen what atropine and atropine related drugs to however!

[Teplukin]

agreed. We should trumpet these findings to the high heavens as proof that Saddam was armed and dangerous.

I knew that President Bush was right! He is our greatest president since George Washington!

[oceanview]

indeed, but that's what happens when the media defines the issue.

I can see the japanese sitting around after Hiroshima saying - "well the US can't possibly have stockpiles of atomic bombs laying around".

[Miss Marple]

[freeperfromnj]

Malzberg is always right on top of things. He was one of the first to focus attention on the Salman Pak training camp.

[cake_crumb]

Doesn't matter if it's a leftover - which it probably is - Saddam said he destroyed all of them after the Gulf War. He loed. He kept them. The questions are : how many more are there? Will the terrorists get the hardware to use them right the next time?

[texasflower]

OVERDOSE
Symptoms:

Serious overdosage with atropine is characterized by widespread paralysis of parasympathetically innervated organs. Dry mucous membranes, widely dilated and nonresponsive pupils, tachycardia, fever and cutaneous flush are especially prominent, as are mental and neurological symptoms. Disorientation, mania, hallucinations, gait disturbances and symptoms may last 48 hours or longer. In instances of severe intoxication, respiratory depression, coma, circulatory collapse and death may occur.

The fatal dose of atropine is not known. In the treatment of organophosphorous poisoning, cumulative doses of approximately 2300-3300 mg or more have been administered over several days to 4-5 weeks.

Treatment:

Supportive treatment should be administered as indicated. If respiration is depressed, artificial respiration with oxygen is necessary. Ice bags, alcohol sponges or a hypothermia blanket may be required to reduce fever, especially in children. Catheterization may be necessary if urinary retention occurs. Since atropine elimination takes place through the kidney, output must be maintained and increased if possible, however, dialysis has not been shown to be helpful in overdose situations. Intravenous fluids may be indicated. Because of the affected person’s photophobia, the room should be darkened.

In the event of toxic overdosage, a short-acting barbiturate or diazepam may be given as needed to control marked excitement and convulsions.

Okay guys. Atropine is not as dangerous as you are making it out to be.

Here is just a little bit of information for you.

As you can see most of the symptoms of an OVERDOSE will be abated in 48 hours. Death can occur, but it does not happen very often. As it says, the fatal dosage of atropine is not known.

I have also listed for you the supportive treatment for atropine overdose. Most patients will recover well.

Atropine is used in such benign things as prescription diarrhea medication. I have given atropine tons of times in the field. The dosage that they indicate in the first paragraph is a huge amount of the drug and up to that level, patient recovery is generally good.

If anyone wants more information, I will be happy to post that information for you.

[ASA Vet]

it was too hot for satellite transmission

What do you mean by this?

If your "hot" referred to speed of delivery than satellite transmission would be the way to go.

If your "hot" referred to the informations sensitivity, satellite transmission can handle
any classification level or compartmentalization once it's encrypted properly.