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To: Travis McGee; P-Marlowe; onyx; Grampa Dave; Poohbah; Barlowmaker; eyespysomething; jpl; FITZ; ...
This is killing me, since you're one of my heroes, but...
There are only a few of us and a whole lot of y'all, so I guess I can't do much damage by throwing in my measly 2 cents here. lol


"There is an email connection to Mousawi. Gee, it could happen to anyone. But it happened to Nick Berg. Has an AQ terrorist ever used one of YOUR emeil accounts and passwords? Me neither."

No terrorist used Nick Berg's either, tho. Just a guy who two years after he got the e-mail addy/PW from Nick, hung around the Arabs there and "might" have been acquainted with Moussaui.

"Two Prometheus outfits out of PA, in the radio business. One for towers (for profit) one for broadcasting (non profit). Nick's dad (Prom. Methods) is an ANSWER wheel, so is Pete Tridish/Dylan Wrynn, the principal of Prom. Radio. Another coincidence.
Texas alone has lots of businesses with the name "Prometheus". It is a fitting name for radio and communications, is used for a software communications program. The mythology is perfectly fitting with everything we know about Nicks ideas and his business.
His father would back him financially, and be on the "board", regardless of political ideas, like someone I know in a very similar situation.

Further investigation to see if there is a connection sounds like a smart thing to do. And we are. Just while keeping the cart & horse in their places while we do so. Otherwise, the thing takes on a life of its own til people forget that it's based on a false assumption.

"Mike Berg's sister marries an Iraqi and moves to Mosul, during Saddam's regime. Another coincidence?"
Saddam's regime covers a very long time. She, Nick's aunt, is also dead. Not sure what this would imply.

"When Nick is picked up in Iraq, he's carrying antisemetic literature by some accounts, and a book in Farsi about Iran. Nick speaks and reads no Farsi. What's the book for?"
I'm still interested in those accounts, and what books/documents he had. We haven't found anything, and would love to know more.

"After being released, Nick goes to Mosul to meet his former uncle in law, to help him set up an email account. Gee, nobody in Mosul understands email? Hmmmm? Was this rather specialized email instruction? He had to travel to Mosul to do this?"
I have to help my dad just download his e-mail every time I visit him. Last time I was at my mother's, who is pretty savvy, I had to help her with hers because she messed with her settings and couldn't connect to here POP acct. In fact, I don't think ever gone to a relative's home, or certain friends', who half the time did not ask me to help them fix something to do with either e-mail or their browser.

"Why do you need to meet someone face to face in this day and age to set up an email account? A plausible explanation is that it is to teach new clandestine comm. techniques. You can't send an email explaining a new code or method, it can be intercepted. You must do this in person."
Plausible, but unnecessary, IMHO. I couldn't or wouldn't do any of the above I mentioned over the phone, after trying plenty. I'd rather drive the 1-2 hours, get a visit in, and do it without the hassle of "ok, click the x, what do you see?" "Click the what?" lol

"Why else to make face to face contact? Courier duty? Delivering what? I don't know. I do know that post 9-11, AQ is reluctant to use electronic comms, for fear of interception and location. Instead, they are relying on human couriers, carrying messages, CDs etc."
...see above

"In Oklahoma, it's an "email coincidence" which later ties Nick to AQ. Then he's traveling all the way to Mosul to help his ex-uncle with email. Nick's a bright young engineer, who presumably is up on the latest uses of WiFi, IM, cell phone and computer tricks. I think this is where he would have great value, not installing spy gear up towers or other schemes."

"It's just too damn many coincidences for me to accept at face value that his story was not a cover story. Obviously, a cover story has to be tight, and have some backstopping. But there are still way too many sore thumbs sticking out.

Sorry, but there it is.


From all the above, you essentially have only the following coincidences/sore thumbs:

--- a guy who, two years after he got the e-mail addy/PW from Nick, hung around the Arabs there and "might" have been acquainted with Moussaui.

--- Nick's company has the same first name as hundreds of others, including one in the same major city, run by a man whose politics match the politics of Nick's father.

Should it be investigated? yes. But until some connection is found, I'm very uncomfortable building more theory based upon the assumption that there is anything there.

-- Nick's dead aunt was married to an Iraqi

-- While in the country, Nick goes to visit and help this relative with his e-mail.

-- "accounts" of literature he might have had with him when he was detained. Interesting, depending upon who's saying it and what they say it was. A lot has been said.. like the choppers were speaking Russian.



I'm hoping to be "off to the horse races" tomorrow, so I just want to clarify my position...

Further investigation of some of those things could indeed turn out to be evidence that he was helping al qaeda. But because these things themselves can easily enough be also nothing weird at all, I'm very uncomfortable adding fuel to flames that will be hard to put out if it turns out to be nothing more than the obvious.

We still have people all over the place repeating lines that are not accurate. Not their fault usually, it's just too much to cull thru to get to the current facts. But they are still "feeling" something's afire, based on all the smoke, when most of the smoke is either proved fake, or is a lot less sure than they think it must be, judging by the noise...

But I know too many people I respect and admire, like you, who think differently for me to play high and mighty. I'm not doing or saying any more than I feel is ok to add a bit of balance here.
573 posted on 05/15/2004 3:20:58 AM PDT by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx
evidence that he was helping al qaeda.

Maybe he was one of those really naive types who can't see the bad in anyone who helped the enemy without really intending --- it's just too much coincidence that he had already somehow connected with terrorists that they obtained his password from him directly. Because of his liberal background, he might have wandered around believing everyone is good. Something about him makes me think he really might have been naive --- which doesn't mean the other side wouldn't have found uses for him.

596 posted on 05/15/2004 8:20:38 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Trinity_Tx
Too many coincidences, far too many. This is not a court trial, but a preliminary investigation, looking for new leads, connections, clues which may explain all of this in some satisfactory way.

If the dice keep landing on 7 every time, they're loaded.

598 posted on 05/15/2004 9:10:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Trinity_Tx
--- Nick's company has the same first name as hundreds of others, including one in the same major city, run by a man whose politics match the politics of Nick's father. Should it be investigated? yes. But until some connection is found, I'm very uncomfortable building more theory based upon the assumption that there is anything there.

Try as I might --- I can't help but thinking Travis is onto something --- imagine you're an Arab --- an Iraqi --- or Al Queda looking for a way to get your own independent radio station built in Iraq --- and you're looking for a way around governments --- certainly Pete Tridish's operation could have an appeal. Imagine you're an unemployed radio technician/engineer in Philadelphia --- and Radio Mutiny (out of Philadelphia) advertises for help in going to way-out places to give radio access to the people -- and you're not tied down, have a sense of adventure, want to travel to farout places anyhow, somewhat believe in the cause, know people in Iraq.....

604 posted on 05/15/2004 10:08:31 AM PDT by FITZ
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