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Jupiter's Moon Io, Continues To Puzzle Scientific Researchers
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 5/04/2004 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:26 PM PDT by bondserv

Io, Io, It’s Off to Work We Go    05/04/2004
The innermost large moon of Jupiter, Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system.  About the size of our moon but no more than a speck of light in small telescopes, it caused a sensation when Galileo first glimpsed it and the other three major satellites of Jupiter in 1610.  Back then, it upset tradition about the hierarchy of the heavens; today, it is upsetting tradition about the age and composition of planetary bodies.  The volcanos were first observed by the Voyagers in 1979, and have been monitored with earth instruments since then, but were most clearly and dramatically revealed by the Galileo spacecraft between 1995 and 2003.  Now that its seven-year orbital tour of the Jupiter system is history, planetary scientists are trying to come to grips with the startling findings from all four large moons.  The May issue of Icarus is devoted to the puzzles of Io, whose volcanos dwarf those on earth.  “Io After Galileo” provides a status report, a state of the moon address, before it’s off to work they go for more data mining and problem solving.
    Most of the articles are descriptive of the dramatic and colorful volcanos seen in the photographic images: Tupan Patera, a lava lake 47 miles across and half a mile deep; Tvashtar Catena, a chain of craters that displayed a 240-mile-high plume and 30-mile-long fire fountain; Thor, an eruption that reached 310 miles high; Amirami, the largest lava flow in the solar system; mountains towering up to 36,000 feet (Everest is 29,000); and much more.  The fact that such activity could exist on a small moon that should be mostly frozen by now is calling into question traditional theories about the dynamics of planetary interiors.  Io’s lavas, for instance, are generally much hotter than the basaltic lavas on earth.  It appears they contain heavy elements like iron and magnesium (called ultramafic lavas).  Theory demands that the heavy elements sink into the interior; how can these heavy elements erupt out onto the surface?  What drives the incessant heat flow that is as active at the poles as at the equator, and shows no cooling down during the night?
    The first-order explanation is that Io is tidally pumped by its orbital resonance between Jupiter and Europa.  Like a rubber ball repeatedly squeezed, Io’s tides generate heat and that heat has to come out.  Volcanic activity was actually predicted on this principle shortly before Voyager 1 arrived.  The problem is that there is more heat flow – by an order of magnitude – than most models of tidal flexing predict.  Veener, Matson, Johnson, Davies and Blaney1 have made the problem worse in their paper by recalculating the heat flow from thermal anomalies and adding in the extra amount detected from polar sources, arriving at a weighted average of 2.5 watts per square meter – “well above that predicted by most theories of tidal dissipation in Jupiter and Io.”  Considering all the heat emitted by cooling lavas over the entire surface, Matson in an earlier paper had set an upper bound of 13.5 watts per square meter.  This is nearly five times the heat coming out of Yellowstone’s thermal basins.
    The final paper by Keszthelyi, Jaeger, Turtle, Milazzo and Radebaugh2 is entitled “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior.”  In proposing their “mushy magma ocean” model, in which the interior has no solid core but is mushy all way through, they seem to be meekly standing up with bulls-eyes painted on their backs, waiting for the inevitable criticisms: how can the tall mountains exist?  How does the model prevent runaway melting?  How do you stop the magma from escaping too fast?  How do you prevent differentiation?  More complex models will be required, they meekly admit, and “Such future work may show that the mushy magma ocean model will need to be further refined, or even rejected.”  They point to previous critiques: “ Stevenson (2002) predicts that a mush zone >20 km deep would be unstable over geologic timescales.  Another issue is that, if the temperature of the mantle were to change significantly on a time scale of less than 106 [one million] years, then our model for stresses in the lithosphere would be inaccurate (McKinnon et al., 2001).”  Hey, it’s only a model, a “useful starting point for future discussions.”  So Io, it’s off to work we go.


1Glenn J. Veeder, Dennis L. Matson, Torrence V. Johnson, Ashley G. Davies and Diana L. Blaney, “The polar contribution to the heat flow of Io,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 264-270, doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2003.11.016.
2Laszlo Keszthelyi, Windy L. Jaeger, Elizabeth P. Turtle, Moses Milazzob and Jani Radebaugh, “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 271-286; doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2004.01.005.
One model they never seem to consider is that Io might not be as old as they assume.  Did you catch the phrase “geologic timescales”?  That’s code for 4.6 billion years.  If the model does not fit “geologic timescales” then the model must be tweaked till it does.  4.6 billion years is the golden parameter, the figure that must not be altered, because Darwinian evolution depends on it.
    Io might be considered just a special case if it were alone in displaying recent surface activity.  Actually, most of the moons in the solar system possess young-looking features that defy long ages.  Europa may be gushing out water even today, Ganymede indicates recent cryovolcanism against expectations and has a global magnetic field, and Callisto shows signs of erosion and has an induced magnetic field.  Tidal flexing is not available to explain these features.  Same at Saturn: Enceladus shows widespread resurfacing and may have currently active water volcanos, Dione and Rhea show vast fields of surface frost, Iapetus is half-coated in dark material, and Titan has an atmosphere that is quickly eroding.  At Uranus, Ariel and Titania show resurfacing and Miranda is a mosaic of old-looking and young-looking features.  Even as far out as Neptune, the coldest body in the solar system – Triton, at 300 below zero – has active nitrogen geysers and few craters, looking like much of its surface as been reworked recently.  Back at home, our own moon exhibits transient lunar phenomena, short-lived bright or gaseous emissions from an interior that should long ago have solidified if as old as claimed.  Io is forcing planetary geologists to question their assumptions.  Would that one of them would break rank and question the assumption of 4.6 billion years.  But that would be aiding and abetting the enemy, the young-earth creationists.  No respectable scientist would want to be caught dead in such a trespass, or risk offending the Darwin Party.
    Check out this issue of Icarus.  Look at the pictures and read the descriptions with a mind freed of evolutionary presuppositions.  Where does the evidence lead?


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To: RockyMtnMan
Because he wish to be as God and have all creation laid out before him on his short lifespan...if that is not arrogance of high level then what is?
81 posted on 05/05/2004 8:32:16 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Your suggesting that a "Solar wind" blew the dust accumilation from the surface of the moon.

Why did it stop short of scouring it down to the bedrock?
82 posted on 05/05/2004 8:33:44 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Frapster
You do realize that Chinese record history further then 6k years ago? Where they just created first and then God got around to other societies? So does that then make Chinese favorites of God?

Village boasts recorded history of 6,000 years

Tang said the date of the relics unearthed in the village started from as early as the Yangshao Culture period, dating back to 5,000 B.C.-3,000 B.C., the Longshan Culture period, dating back3,000 B.C.-1,700 B.C., and then to the Shang Dynasty (1,600 B.C.-1,100 B.C.), the Spring and Autumn Period (770 B.C.-476 B.C.), the Warring States Period (475 B.C.-221 B.C.), the imperial Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-220 A.D.), the Northern Dynasties (386-581), theSong Dynasty (960-1279), Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368), Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) and to the Republic of China (1912-1949).

Or fact that Egyptian record calender before 6K years ago:

5500–3000 B.C.

Predynastic Egyptian cultures develop (5500–3100 B.C.); begin using agriculture (c. 5000 B.C.). Earliest known civilization arises in Sumer (4500–4000 B.C.). Earliest recorded date in Egyptian calendar (4241 B.C.). First year of Jewish calendar (3760 B.C.). First phonetic writing appears (c. 3500 B.C.). Sumerians develop a city-state civilization (c. 3000 B.C.). Copper used by Egyptians and Sumerians. Western Europe is neolithic, without metals or written records.

83 posted on 05/05/2004 8:43:05 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Ichneumon
You have it backwards, at one time I too believed the evolution myth.


84 posted on 05/05/2004 8:45:05 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Since when does popular opinion dictate Truth?

Exactly what I ask about Creationist silliness...uneducated popular opinion...next you tell me vampires hunt your land and need to go dig up some corpse or two to cut heads off.

85 posted on 05/05/2004 8:48:34 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Dust On The Moon Link
86 posted on 05/05/2004 8:49:39 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Hmmm, maybe process of solar wind still evolving? Maybe accumulation is still bit ahead of distribution...use imagination you surely do on Creationism.
87 posted on 05/05/2004 8:49:41 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Ichneumon
"People don't just pull those numbers out of hats."

Government grants are powerful motivators.
88 posted on 05/05/2004 8:52:09 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Just like narrow Biblical interpretations and own egotistic motives also powerful motivators.
89 posted on 05/05/2004 8:53:44 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Modernman
Well, many within this thread have made many logical arguments about how the creation of geological formations as we understand them occur over vast periods of time. I believe that it would be consistent for God to create stars and planets at various levels of evolution just as I believe God created Adam as a fully mature man rather than an infant. Ultimately the Earth was created at a point in its lifecycle that would be optimal for human habitation.
90 posted on 05/05/2004 9:04:54 AM PDT by Frapster (Goofball extraordinaire.)
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To: RussianConservative
I had this discussion in Bible College with someone who was a devout creationist. He asked me how old I thought the earth was and I said '20,000 years old'. He decided it was not worth arguing that number. If you read my earlier post I said 'approximately 6k'. I'd say that currently my most explicit number which I'm willing to accept is around 8k to 6k years old.
91 posted on 05/05/2004 9:07:47 AM PDT by Frapster (Goofball extraordinaire.)
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To: Amish with an attitude; Doctor Stochastic
Nice link.

From the link:

Then while browsing through the NASA documents in the university library (fortunately, we have open stacks), I spotted Meteor Orbits and Dust, pulled it off the shelf, and immediately saw that it was dated 1965! Not wanting to jump to conclusions, especially since it was "Volume 11", and not "Vol. 2", I doublechecked the presence of the quoted passages; they were right there. Slusher had misrepresented the date by 11 years! Upon further examination of the referenced text within the document, I found that his single direct quote was a gross misquotation (on the basis of which he had included one factor), that he had badly misused the basic mathematical procedures for handling that included factor, and that he had included another factor which his referenced text clearly stated did not apply. In all, he had inflated his figures for the earth by a factor of one million (which when corrected yields an infall of a measly 214 tons -- far too little) and for the moon by a factor of 10,000 (which when corrected yields a layer of dust 1/3 inch thick -- far thinner than we found).

Not surprisingly, another lie from Creationist Central. How can they even read their Bibles if words have no meaning???

92 posted on 05/05/2004 9:17:49 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: FreedomCalls
"Io, Shmio? They should call that thing The Zit........

......It just keeps building pressure, building pressure, building pressure and building some more and more and more pressure till one day it just POPS like a big, fat pimple! It's really disgusting......."


93 posted on 05/05/2004 9:20:12 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Perhaps it was just another Creationist of pulling numbers out of the air to support something he really wanted to fly.

It could have been worse. They could have claimed the computations were done at Stoney Brook.
94 posted on 05/05/2004 9:22:30 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
There's no such thing as Stoney Brook because it's not mentioned in Genesis.
95 posted on 05/05/2004 9:37:48 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Modernman; Elsie; RussianConservative
What many of you are calling evolution is nothing more than a species adapting to its environment and overcoming. Which is something humans do on a daily basis when the weather changes, or situations arise that require we change our approach. This adaptation can not be called evolution. For evolution to have happened, there has to be some kind of change besides a change in behavior. There must be a chemical change. There should still be some living examples somewhere, of these so called evolving creatures on Earth Today. THERE ARE NO SUCH EXAMPLES. Evolution did not happen. Evolution is an illogical explanation of how life has come to be here on Earth. The best evolution might ever be is a good movie for the SCIENCE FICTION channel. If evolution really is true, we should be encountering all kinds of species in various stages of evolution, DAILY. Not once every 4.6 billion years, or once every 20,000 or so years. If you people want to believe you came from an ape, then go ahead, be my guess. I have no doubt there is a God in Heaven, who through His perfect plan put humans on this earth, created in HIS image not an ape's image. We have superior intelligence, and domination of this planet over the animals because God made it to be that way. There is NOTHING any of you can provide to me as proof, that is going to persuade me that we are here by a series of random, naturally happenning chemical reactions over millions of years, starting with a single celled creature. Not when one looks at the complexity of life. Every living creature is just too complex in its design and function to have "evolved". There had to be a designer. The designer's name is Jehovah. One day we will each meet Him. On that day, all lies will be exposed, including evolution.
96 posted on 05/05/2004 9:53:05 AM PDT by ChevyZ28 (Most of us would rather be ruined by praise, than saved by criticism.)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Since when does popular opinion dictate Truth?

And you are qualified to dictate Truth how, exactly?

97 posted on 05/05/2004 10:03:09 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: ChevyZ28
There should still be some living examples somewhere, of these so called evolving creatures on Earth Today. THERE ARE NO SUCH EXAMPLES

Every living being on the planet is an evolving creature. Every species in existence is in transition. We just haven't figured out what the next step will be since it's such a slow process.

If evolution really is true, we should be encountering all kinds of species in various stages of evolution, DAILY.

It seems to me that the only proof of a transitional form you would accept is a horse with wings, or a woman with a fish's tail. Evolution is a bit more subtle than that, I'm afraid.

If you people want to believe you came from an ape, then go ahead, be my guess.

We didn't come from apes- we ARE apes. Smart, hairless, tool-using apes. But apes nonetheless.

There is NOTHING any of you can provide to me as proof, that is going to persuade me that we are here by a series of random, naturally happenning chemical reactions over millions of years, starting with a single celled creature.

Sadly, there are none as blind as those that refuse to see. Denial is a terrible thing, but it seems to afflict so many.

98 posted on 05/05/2004 10:09:59 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
Truth requires no qualification, it is absolute!
99 posted on 05/05/2004 10:12:08 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Truth requires no qualification, it is absolute!

I'm going to regret asking this, but define Truth, please.

100 posted on 05/05/2004 10:16:57 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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