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Jupiter's Moon Io, Continues To Puzzle Scientific Researchers
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 5/04/2004 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:26 PM PDT by bondserv

Io, Io, It’s Off to Work We Go    05/04/2004
The innermost large moon of Jupiter, Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system.  About the size of our moon but no more than a speck of light in small telescopes, it caused a sensation when Galileo first glimpsed it and the other three major satellites of Jupiter in 1610.  Back then, it upset tradition about the hierarchy of the heavens; today, it is upsetting tradition about the age and composition of planetary bodies.  The volcanos were first observed by the Voyagers in 1979, and have been monitored with earth instruments since then, but were most clearly and dramatically revealed by the Galileo spacecraft between 1995 and 2003.  Now that its seven-year orbital tour of the Jupiter system is history, planetary scientists are trying to come to grips with the startling findings from all four large moons.  The May issue of Icarus is devoted to the puzzles of Io, whose volcanos dwarf those on earth.  “Io After Galileo” provides a status report, a state of the moon address, before it’s off to work they go for more data mining and problem solving.
    Most of the articles are descriptive of the dramatic and colorful volcanos seen in the photographic images: Tupan Patera, a lava lake 47 miles across and half a mile deep; Tvashtar Catena, a chain of craters that displayed a 240-mile-high plume and 30-mile-long fire fountain; Thor, an eruption that reached 310 miles high; Amirami, the largest lava flow in the solar system; mountains towering up to 36,000 feet (Everest is 29,000); and much more.  The fact that such activity could exist on a small moon that should be mostly frozen by now is calling into question traditional theories about the dynamics of planetary interiors.  Io’s lavas, for instance, are generally much hotter than the basaltic lavas on earth.  It appears they contain heavy elements like iron and magnesium (called ultramafic lavas).  Theory demands that the heavy elements sink into the interior; how can these heavy elements erupt out onto the surface?  What drives the incessant heat flow that is as active at the poles as at the equator, and shows no cooling down during the night?
    The first-order explanation is that Io is tidally pumped by its orbital resonance between Jupiter and Europa.  Like a rubber ball repeatedly squeezed, Io’s tides generate heat and that heat has to come out.  Volcanic activity was actually predicted on this principle shortly before Voyager 1 arrived.  The problem is that there is more heat flow – by an order of magnitude – than most models of tidal flexing predict.  Veener, Matson, Johnson, Davies and Blaney1 have made the problem worse in their paper by recalculating the heat flow from thermal anomalies and adding in the extra amount detected from polar sources, arriving at a weighted average of 2.5 watts per square meter – “well above that predicted by most theories of tidal dissipation in Jupiter and Io.”  Considering all the heat emitted by cooling lavas over the entire surface, Matson in an earlier paper had set an upper bound of 13.5 watts per square meter.  This is nearly five times the heat coming out of Yellowstone’s thermal basins.
    The final paper by Keszthelyi, Jaeger, Turtle, Milazzo and Radebaugh2 is entitled “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior.”  In proposing their “mushy magma ocean” model, in which the interior has no solid core but is mushy all way through, they seem to be meekly standing up with bulls-eyes painted on their backs, waiting for the inevitable criticisms: how can the tall mountains exist?  How does the model prevent runaway melting?  How do you stop the magma from escaping too fast?  How do you prevent differentiation?  More complex models will be required, they meekly admit, and “Such future work may show that the mushy magma ocean model will need to be further refined, or even rejected.”  They point to previous critiques: “ Stevenson (2002) predicts that a mush zone >20 km deep would be unstable over geologic timescales.  Another issue is that, if the temperature of the mantle were to change significantly on a time scale of less than 106 [one million] years, then our model for stresses in the lithosphere would be inaccurate (McKinnon et al., 2001).”  Hey, it’s only a model, a “useful starting point for future discussions.”  So Io, it’s off to work we go.


1Glenn J. Veeder, Dennis L. Matson, Torrence V. Johnson, Ashley G. Davies and Diana L. Blaney, “The polar contribution to the heat flow of Io,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 264-270, doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2003.11.016.
2Laszlo Keszthelyi, Windy L. Jaeger, Elizabeth P. Turtle, Moses Milazzob and Jani Radebaugh, “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 271-286; doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2004.01.005.
One model they never seem to consider is that Io might not be as old as they assume.  Did you catch the phrase “geologic timescales”?  That’s code for 4.6 billion years.  If the model does not fit “geologic timescales” then the model must be tweaked till it does.  4.6 billion years is the golden parameter, the figure that must not be altered, because Darwinian evolution depends on it.
    Io might be considered just a special case if it were alone in displaying recent surface activity.  Actually, most of the moons in the solar system possess young-looking features that defy long ages.  Europa may be gushing out water even today, Ganymede indicates recent cryovolcanism against expectations and has a global magnetic field, and Callisto shows signs of erosion and has an induced magnetic field.  Tidal flexing is not available to explain these features.  Same at Saturn: Enceladus shows widespread resurfacing and may have currently active water volcanos, Dione and Rhea show vast fields of surface frost, Iapetus is half-coated in dark material, and Titan has an atmosphere that is quickly eroding.  At Uranus, Ariel and Titania show resurfacing and Miranda is a mosaic of old-looking and young-looking features.  Even as far out as Neptune, the coldest body in the solar system – Triton, at 300 below zero – has active nitrogen geysers and few craters, looking like much of its surface as been reworked recently.  Back at home, our own moon exhibits transient lunar phenomena, short-lived bright or gaseous emissions from an interior that should long ago have solidified if as old as claimed.  Io is forcing planetary geologists to question their assumptions.  Would that one of them would break rank and question the assumption of 4.6 billion years.  But that would be aiding and abetting the enemy, the young-earth creationists.  No respectable scientist would want to be caught dead in such a trespass, or risk offending the Darwin Party.
    Check out this issue of Icarus.  Look at the pictures and read the descriptions with a mind freed of evolutionary presuppositions.  Where does the evidence lead?


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To: RadioAstronomer
Oops, forgot to add you to the ping list of my previous two posts. Consider yourself pung.
41 posted on 05/04/2004 11:52:13 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Very dumb thread, but today "it's the only game in town."
PING. [This list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and some other science topics like cosmology. Long-time list members get all pings, but can request evo-only status. New additions will be evo-only, but can request all pings. FReepmail me to be added or dropped. Specify all pings or you'll get evo-pings only.]
42 posted on 05/05/2004 3:18:00 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: bondserv
Heathens! The Church of Last Thursdayism is the only true origin!
43 posted on 05/05/2004 3:48:41 AM PDT by Saturnalia (My name is Matt Foley and I live in a VAN down by the RIVER.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Io isn't mentioned in Genesis, so it doesn't exist.

When did Darwin predict a dust layer on the moon? ;)
44 posted on 05/05/2004 4:30:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: doug from upland
Everything I learned about Io I learned from here:


45 posted on 05/05/2004 4:55:48 AM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Do you also have a theory as to why he would bother to waste his time "Evolving" everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?

Do you have a theory as to why God bothered to create anything at all? I don't presume to know the will of God, or pretend to understand His motives.

46 posted on 05/05/2004 5:42:53 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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To: PatrickHenry
Very dumb thread, but today "it's the only game in town."

Very "dumb" comment - course, you're the first evo troll to show up.

Oh hold on - I see John H.K. preceded you.

47 posted on 05/05/2004 5:57:51 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Amish with an attitude
Talkorigins "Transitionals":

FAQ or Fiction?

More on the lack of transitionals and the fossil record:

Link

Link

48 posted on 05/05/2004 6:04:48 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Amish with an attitude
Where are the piles of non viable specie to specie mutations in the fossil record?. Nowhere to be found.

You are correct. This is one of many major problems with evolution. The way to solve it is to redefine "transitional form." Sweden was the first to discover this postmodern scientific method. They discovered that by removing the illegal status of many criminal activities, the crime rate dropped. Amazing what a little redefinition can do!

49 posted on 05/05/2004 6:07:06 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Ichneumon
"People don't just pull those numbers out of hats."

Yes they do just pull numbers out of the air with no factual basis. People lie all of the time to support something they really want to fly. Just like some people have read the quran with all its text about killing all unbelievers or enslaving them and witnessed first hand the actions of islamofascist terrorists and still come to the conclusion that islam is the "religion of peace".

You are truly blinded if you can honestly believe people don't just make up facts to support their particular idea. I consider evolution impossible to have happened, in spite of all of the so-called evidence. First of all, why would evolution just suddenly begin, then stop never to happen again? Lets face it, evolution, if it ever happened, is not happening now. Why aren't there species alive today with both human and ape characteristics, or any other species that show characteristics of evolving from one species to another? This idea of conditions just happened to be right for it then but not now is a giant leap from here to there. I think it takes far greater faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe an Almighty God created all life on Earth.
50 posted on 05/05/2004 6:15:26 AM PDT by ChevyZ28 (Most of us would rather be ruined by praise, than saved by criticism.)
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To: Amish with an attitude
"Evolving everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?"

That would be magic, not science. God has plenty of time on his hands being that's he's the Alpha and the Omega, why rush things? Just because our society is in a hurry to do everything doesn't mean he is.
51 posted on 05/05/2004 6:22:50 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: ChevyZ28
Yes they do just pull numbers out of the air with no factual basis. People lie all of the time to support something they really want to fly.

Indeed.

INTEGRITY AND MISCONDUCT IN RESEARCH: REPORT OF THE COMMISSION ON RESEARCH INTEGRITY

52 posted on 05/05/2004 6:26:06 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
SCIENTIFIC MISCONDUCT: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY
53 posted on 05/05/2004 6:28:02 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
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To: John H K
just because I'm curious. I believe the following:

- the universe was created approx 6k years ago
- it was created with the appearance of age

Does that make me a young earth creationists or whatever the label is? Just checking as I don't follow these threads very closely.
54 posted on 05/05/2004 6:30:12 AM PDT by Frapster (Goofball extraordinaire.)
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To: FreedomCalls
KEWL.. I think, I'll use it as a background...the moon is getting quite stale/crumbly (like cheese :)
55 posted on 05/05/2004 6:36:34 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: RussianConservative
If God is almighty then He can make evolution...

SHHHHH!...Don't say that...their house of cards will fall, is wobbly as it is...the ALMIGHT has more urgent things/activities to work on...than to pay Attn. to 3 y.o. whining about... :)

56 posted on 05/05/2004 6:46:44 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: general_re
Well, everything I learned about Io, I learned from heeeer:

;^)

57 posted on 05/05/2004 6:49:07 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Do you also have a theory as to why he would bother to waste his time "Evolving" everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?

Billions of years is like a blink of the eye for God. Anyway, who are you to question God's motivations?

58 posted on 05/05/2004 6:53:55 AM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Frapster
I agree

In Genesis, God says He created all things in 6 days.

In Numbers 23:19 it says 'God is not a man, that He should lie...'

59 posted on 05/05/2004 6:56:47 AM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Your theory certainly could explain the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record, proof that God doesn't make mistakes.

Your "lack" of transitional forms always turns into a lawyering trick to explain away and dismiss what IS there. The gimmick turns out to be that no matter what IS there, you have a way of saying it's not a transitional form. There's no stopping you from playing that game, but what evolution predicts (forms intermediate between previously known forms) turns up with great regularity and has been doing so since Darwing published in 1859. The situation is thus the very opposite of what you invite people to believe.

60 posted on 05/05/2004 6:59:41 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Ein prosit! Ein prosit, Gemuetlichkeit!)
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