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Jupiter's Moon Io, Continues To Puzzle Scientific Researchers
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | 5/04/2004 | Creation-Evolution Headlines

Posted on 05/04/2004 8:21:26 PM PDT by bondserv

Io, Io, It’s Off to Work We Go    05/04/2004
The innermost large moon of Jupiter, Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system.  About the size of our moon but no more than a speck of light in small telescopes, it caused a sensation when Galileo first glimpsed it and the other three major satellites of Jupiter in 1610.  Back then, it upset tradition about the hierarchy of the heavens; today, it is upsetting tradition about the age and composition of planetary bodies.  The volcanos were first observed by the Voyagers in 1979, and have been monitored with earth instruments since then, but were most clearly and dramatically revealed by the Galileo spacecraft between 1995 and 2003.  Now that its seven-year orbital tour of the Jupiter system is history, planetary scientists are trying to come to grips with the startling findings from all four large moons.  The May issue of Icarus is devoted to the puzzles of Io, whose volcanos dwarf those on earth.  “Io After Galileo” provides a status report, a state of the moon address, before it’s off to work they go for more data mining and problem solving.
    Most of the articles are descriptive of the dramatic and colorful volcanos seen in the photographic images: Tupan Patera, a lava lake 47 miles across and half a mile deep; Tvashtar Catena, a chain of craters that displayed a 240-mile-high plume and 30-mile-long fire fountain; Thor, an eruption that reached 310 miles high; Amirami, the largest lava flow in the solar system; mountains towering up to 36,000 feet (Everest is 29,000); and much more.  The fact that such activity could exist on a small moon that should be mostly frozen by now is calling into question traditional theories about the dynamics of planetary interiors.  Io’s lavas, for instance, are generally much hotter than the basaltic lavas on earth.  It appears they contain heavy elements like iron and magnesium (called ultramafic lavas).  Theory demands that the heavy elements sink into the interior; how can these heavy elements erupt out onto the surface?  What drives the incessant heat flow that is as active at the poles as at the equator, and shows no cooling down during the night?
    The first-order explanation is that Io is tidally pumped by its orbital resonance between Jupiter and Europa.  Like a rubber ball repeatedly squeezed, Io’s tides generate heat and that heat has to come out.  Volcanic activity was actually predicted on this principle shortly before Voyager 1 arrived.  The problem is that there is more heat flow – by an order of magnitude – than most models of tidal flexing predict.  Veener, Matson, Johnson, Davies and Blaney1 have made the problem worse in their paper by recalculating the heat flow from thermal anomalies and adding in the extra amount detected from polar sources, arriving at a weighted average of 2.5 watts per square meter – “well above that predicted by most theories of tidal dissipation in Jupiter and Io.”  Considering all the heat emitted by cooling lavas over the entire surface, Matson in an earlier paper had set an upper bound of 13.5 watts per square meter.  This is nearly five times the heat coming out of Yellowstone’s thermal basins.
    The final paper by Keszthelyi, Jaeger, Turtle, Milazzo and Radebaugh2 is entitled “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior.”  In proposing their “mushy magma ocean” model, in which the interior has no solid core but is mushy all way through, they seem to be meekly standing up with bulls-eyes painted on their backs, waiting for the inevitable criticisms: how can the tall mountains exist?  How does the model prevent runaway melting?  How do you stop the magma from escaping too fast?  How do you prevent differentiation?  More complex models will be required, they meekly admit, and “Such future work may show that the mushy magma ocean model will need to be further refined, or even rejected.”  They point to previous critiques: “ Stevenson (2002) predicts that a mush zone >20 km deep would be unstable over geologic timescales.  Another issue is that, if the temperature of the mantle were to change significantly on a time scale of less than 106 [one million] years, then our model for stresses in the lithosphere would be inaccurate (McKinnon et al., 2001).”  Hey, it’s only a model, a “useful starting point for future discussions.”  So Io, it’s off to work we go.


1Glenn J. Veeder, Dennis L. Matson, Torrence V. Johnson, Ashley G. Davies and Diana L. Blaney, “The polar contribution to the heat flow of Io,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 264-270, doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2003.11.016.
2Laszlo Keszthelyi, Windy L. Jaeger, Elizabeth P. Turtle, Moses Milazzob and Jani Radebaugh, “A post-Galileo view of Io’s interior,” Icarus Volume 169, Issue 1, May 2004, Pages 271-286; doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2004.01.005.
One model they never seem to consider is that Io might not be as old as they assume.  Did you catch the phrase “geologic timescales”?  That’s code for 4.6 billion years.  If the model does not fit “geologic timescales” then the model must be tweaked till it does.  4.6 billion years is the golden parameter, the figure that must not be altered, because Darwinian evolution depends on it.
    Io might be considered just a special case if it were alone in displaying recent surface activity.  Actually, most of the moons in the solar system possess young-looking features that defy long ages.  Europa may be gushing out water even today, Ganymede indicates recent cryovolcanism against expectations and has a global magnetic field, and Callisto shows signs of erosion and has an induced magnetic field.  Tidal flexing is not available to explain these features.  Same at Saturn: Enceladus shows widespread resurfacing and may have currently active water volcanos, Dione and Rhea show vast fields of surface frost, Iapetus is half-coated in dark material, and Titan has an atmosphere that is quickly eroding.  At Uranus, Ariel and Titania show resurfacing and Miranda is a mosaic of old-looking and young-looking features.  Even as far out as Neptune, the coldest body in the solar system – Triton, at 300 below zero – has active nitrogen geysers and few craters, looking like much of its surface as been reworked recently.  Back at home, our own moon exhibits transient lunar phenomena, short-lived bright or gaseous emissions from an interior that should long ago have solidified if as old as claimed.  Io is forcing planetary geologists to question their assumptions.  Would that one of them would break rank and question the assumption of 4.6 billion years.  But that would be aiding and abetting the enemy, the young-earth creationists.  No respectable scientist would want to be caught dead in such a trespass, or risk offending the Darwin Party.
    Check out this issue of Icarus.  Look at the pictures and read the descriptions with a mind freed of evolutionary presuppositions.  Where does the evidence lead?


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To: Amish with an attitude
You are indeed correct, it was discredited at the instant the lunar lander touched down. What is you point?

What was your point in posting it then?

21 posted on 05/04/2004 9:23:42 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: DallasMike
I'm a Christian and a creationist but I just can't buy the idea of young-earth creationism.

I'm a Christian and a creationist. I believe that God created the heavens and earth, beginning billions of years ago and painstakingly crafting us our and our cosmos through His tools of physics and evolution.

22 posted on 05/04/2004 9:48:07 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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To: RadioAstronomer
Perhaps you were lost by the wording, allow me to re-phrase.

Evolutionists predicted that based on an age of 4.5 billion years, the total thickness of accumulated cosmic dust on the moon's surface would total nearly 100 ft. Why was the prediction in error?
23 posted on 05/04/2004 9:59:24 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Read here:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html
24 posted on 05/04/2004 10:04:43 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Your theory certainly could explain the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record, proof that God doesn't make mistakes.

Do you also have a theory as to why he would bother to waste his time "Evolving" everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?
25 posted on 05/04/2004 10:05:43 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
lack of transitional forms in the fossil record

Look here: (Also the subsequent links)

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html

26 posted on 05/04/2004 10:17:13 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bondserv
Thanks for the ping!
27 posted on 05/04/2004 10:24:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RadioAstronomer
The paper is fundamentally flawed, it utilizes a closed Earth model for it's data collection, hardly a valid comparison to a moon without atmosphere.

Inherent in their calculation is the presupposition that the Earths age is 4.5 billion years, a theoretical number with no factual evidence to support it. Such circular reasoning fails the scientific test, pure Codswallop!
28 posted on 05/04/2004 10:27:12 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: RadioAstronomer
pearls before placemarkers.
29 posted on 05/04/2004 10:30:25 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: In_25_words_or_less
Hmmm, funny thing is, Orthodox and Catholic churchs accept physical evolution, so by shear number that is majority Christianity. If God is almighty then He can make evolution.
30 posted on 05/04/2004 10:31:02 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: js1138
LOL! Indeed!
31 posted on 05/04/2004 10:32:05 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Amish with an attitude
Maybe you hear of thing called solar wind? Photon particles of energy combine that to Moons almost none gravity .1 and escape velocity not that high during worst of storms from Sun.
32 posted on 05/04/2004 10:33:04 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Thank you, no reason of why Christianity and Evolution is mutually exclusive...except sin of egotism...in those who must think that God raised human out of ape out of monkey out of mice...
33 posted on 05/04/2004 10:35:37 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Do you also have a theory as to why he would bother to waste his time "Evolving" everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?

Well consider fact that God exist outside time/space, maybe it is not such waste.

34 posted on 05/04/2004 10:36:43 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Xristos: the Light of the World)
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To: bondserv
bump
35 posted on 05/04/2004 10:38:25 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: RadioAstronomer
The paper makes a reasonable case for variations within a specie, It falls far short of explaining specie to new specie transition.

Remember the favorite amongst evolutionists where "If you place enough monkeys at typewriters, they will eventually produce a meaningfull result"?. What they omit is the fact that at least every other keystroke kills a monkey, you end up with a pile of dead monkeys.

Where are the piles of non viable specie to specie mutations in the fossil record?. Nowhere to be found.
36 posted on 05/04/2004 10:56:06 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude; Ichneumon
Ichneumon can answer this far better than I so I am pinging him. My specialty is a different branch of science.
37 posted on 05/04/2004 11:08:07 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Amish with an attitude
Your theory certainly could explain the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record,

There are vast numbers of transitional forms in the fossil record. Only creationist sources claim that there are not, and it's hard to tell whether they do so from ignorance or dishonesty, but neither option inspires confidence.

For just a very small taste of the countless transitional fossils which have been found, see Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ, or The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation". Both links continue on to multiple linked pages, be sure to read them all and not just skim the introductory pages and say, "is that all?"

Do you also have a theory as to why he would bother to waste his time "Evolving" everything into existance instead of just creating the product in its final form to begin with?

Do you have supporting evidence for your presumption that life today is in its "final form"? Perhaps he "wasted his time" evolving life because he has plans for it beyond merely where it has reached at present day. Surely he thinks of the future as well, even if you don't.

38 posted on 05/04/2004 11:36:38 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Amish with an attitude
Inherent in their calculation is the presupposition that the Earths age is 4.5 billion years, a theoretical number with no factual evidence to support it.

Say *what*?? Congratulations, you've just revealed that you've read too many creationist tracts and too few scientific ones.

There is a vast amount of evidence to support that figure, which is where it came from in the first place. People don't just pull those numbers out of hats.

39 posted on 05/04/2004 11:38:38 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Amish with an attitude
Remember the favorite amongst evolutionists where "If you place enough monkeys at typewriters, they will eventually produce a meaningfull result"?.

No I don't, because that's not a "favorite amongst evolutionists". What it is is a dishonest straw man version of what evolutionists *actually* say.

What they omit is the fact that at least every other keystroke kills a monkey, you end up with a pile of dead monkeys.

What you omit is the differential way in which selection acts upon detrimental mutations versus beneficial mutations.

Where are the piles of non viable specie to specie mutations in the fossil record?. Nowhere to be found.

Of course not, because you misrepresent the situation. A non-viable mutation will not be a "specie to specie" transition, because it's an instant dead-end which dies with the individual that has it, and no subsequent "specie" will result. In fact, most non-viable mutations result in death in the womb and a miscarriage. Exactly how many fossils would you *expect* to be able to find of early-term spontaneous miscarriages?

Meanwhile, beneficial mutations (which are involved in the transition of one species to another) are spread through the population and passed on to countless descendant generations, and consequently there are millions (often literally -- frequently hundreds of millions or billions) of copies produced of beneficial mutations. And *that* is why one finds fossils of the results of beneficial mutations with relative ease compared to the difficulty of finding a fossilized example of a nonviable mutation which dies forever with the one (1) individual which is unfortunate enough to have it, *regardless* of the fact that detrimental mutations are more likely to occur than beneficial ones. The beneficial mutations which do occur get reproduced over and over and over again -- the detrimental mutations don't.

40 posted on 05/04/2004 11:51:40 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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