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U.S. declares War on Porn
Baltimore Sun ^ | April 5, 2004 | Laura Sullivan

Posted on 04/05/2004 9:23:56 PM PDT by Quick1

WASHINGTON -- Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in rooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10 billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.

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To: weegee
I for one don't want to see porn spam email and porn popups when I am websurfing.

Spam and unsolicited (i.e. you aren't currently visiting the hosting website) popups, whether pornographic or not, are violations of property rights and should be prosecuted on that basis. Spamming in particular should carry severe penalties as it violates the property rights of large numbers of victims.

That is, however, a topic for another thread.

381 posted on 04/07/2004 9:43:44 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Hunble
which one? Goats, or sheep?
382 posted on 04/07/2004 9:46:02 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: robertpaulsen
A city can ban a strip club but not a state? Is that where the line is drawn? I just don't understand why

Simple -- requiring a private activity that generates minor external nuisances to move out of range of the nuisance generation is reasonable accomodation, but requiring it to move out of state (which could easily be hours of travel time) is prohibitive.

383 posted on 04/07/2004 9:47:45 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
Re: Blue Laws

You're close, but no cigar. The Blue Laws affected all kinds of activities, not just "sinful" ones. For example, businesses were closed on Sunday.

By the way, "the Supreme Court has upheld them, starting with McGowan v. Maryland (1961), ruling that though the laws originated for religious reasons, the state has a right to set aside a day of rest for the well-being of its citizens."
-- college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_011100_bluelaws.htm made

384 posted on 04/07/2004 9:48:40 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: steve-b
Oh, I understand that part. What I don't understand is why I must "reasonably accomodate" that activity to begin with with.

The 1st amendment gives a person a right to speak -- it doesn't give them the right to be heard.

385 posted on 04/07/2004 9:57:45 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: BSunday
"I don't have the time to try to convince you that porn is bad, if you think otherwise. I don't like spitting into the wind, as it were."

Bad or not, the damage of effective prosecution far outweighs any damage of the porn itself.

386 posted on 04/07/2004 10:07:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: razorbak
When the porn issue is debated on FR, the majority of the posts would make one think he was on a democrat forum instead of a conservative one. Either that are there are a lot more libertarians on FR than I thought.

Or we are thinking that government resources could be better spent on unimportant things like securing our borders rather than important things like paying people to surf the web or watch adult videos.

387 posted on 04/07/2004 10:08:25 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: antiRepublicrat
Bad or not, the damage of effective prosecution far outweighs any damage of the porn itself.

Can people on this thread please stop attributing things to me which I never said, and arguments which I never made ? As a matter of fact, I DO believe I said that outlawing porn would be "futile and expensive".

But that doesn't make porn any less evil and damaging.

388 posted on 04/07/2004 10:11:29 AM PDT by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Nope, just porn and prostitution.
389 posted on 04/07/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by biblewonk (The only book worth reading, and reading, and reading.)
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To: BSunday
Right. Nice try. Ad absurdum is a tool of a week argument.

Ad absurdum isn't a fallacy AFAIK, but you may be talking about slippery slope. In that case, I'm not talking about the theoretical possibility of your enforcement of religious law possibly leading to the enforcement of others -- all of these laws already happened and have been peeled away as our society advanced (or declined, according to you). You are wishing for a reversal of the path towards freedom, reverting back to governance of religious law -- which would include these others.

In any case, your whole premise is the logical fallacies of prejudicial language, popularity and begging the question, plus likely complex cause, post hoc, fallacy of exclusion, and unrepresentative sample.

390 posted on 04/07/2004 10:22:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: robertpaulsen
I agree. But they never have and never will. See my post #368.

Blue laws, lots of them.

391 posted on 04/07/2004 10:24:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: robertpaulsen
I guess we're combining, so:

The Blue Laws affected all kinds of activities, not just "sinful" ones. For example, businesses were closed on Sunday.

Blue laws were a collection of laws done for religious reasons. Businesses were closed on Sunday because working on the Sabbath is a sin. The "well-being" was a BS justification to continue pushing religious law against sin onto the general populace, and I can't believe SCOTUS bought it.

392 posted on 04/07/2004 10:28:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: robertpaulsen
The Blue Laws affected all kinds of activities, not just "sinful" ones. For example, businesses were closed on Sunday.

Because the laws were passed at the insistence of people who considered the conduct of business on the Sabbath to be...

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393 posted on 04/07/2004 10:31:21 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: BSunday
But that doesn't make porn any less evil and damaging.

Yet you still believe in prosecuting it, or am I wrong? BTW, you haven't proven the "evil and damaging" part yet. It is interesting you use the word "evil," which leads me to think you're against it primarily on religious grounds.

394 posted on 04/07/2004 10:31:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
The "well-being" was a BS justification to continue pushing religious law against sin onto the general populace, and I can't believe SCOTUS bought it.

I can't believe that someone would post the argument "The Supreme Court said so" as an argument from competent authority in this forum. It's about one step above "Bill Clinton said so" in credibility.

395 posted on 04/07/2004 10:33:15 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: biblewonk
Nope, just porn and prostitution.

Which are part of the same set of religious laws.

396 posted on 04/07/2004 10:33:46 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: steve-b
SCOTUS bought Roe v. Wade so abortion must be okay, right?
397 posted on 04/07/2004 10:35:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yet you still believe in prosecuting it,

I never said that.

398 posted on 04/07/2004 10:35:34 AM PDT by BSunday (Become a monthly donor. Every little bit helps. Even as little as 3 bucks.)
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To: BSunday
I never said that.

Okay, let's set things straight: do you or do you not support Ashcroft's prosecution of (non-kiddie) porn?

399 posted on 04/07/2004 10:37:11 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: robertpaulsen
The 1st amendment gives a person a right to speak -- it doesn't give them the right to be heard.

The First Amendment guarantees (not "gives" -- that's the leftist perspective on life) the right to speak without being muzzled by arbitrary (i.e. not justified by the protection of other rights) act of government.

Forcing a business to move beyond the range at which a legitimate nuisance argument can be made is a clear-cut example of arbitrary government action.

400 posted on 04/07/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by steve-b
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