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U.S. declares War on Porn
Baltimore Sun ^ | April 5, 2004 | Laura Sullivan

Posted on 04/05/2004 9:23:56 PM PDT by Quick1

WASHINGTON -- Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in rooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10 billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.

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To: weegee
I did end up dropping my HBO subscription and then cable altogether. I initially subscribed to HBO because at the time it was the only way for me to get some "expanded cable" choices like AMC.

I understand the conundrum. It seems as though your cable provider needed a little more competition to encourage a broader range of choices as to the channel packages. Can a pay network mix adult only porn with regular fare without notifying their customers? Or should such explicit programming be confined to adults only channels?

Well, I think they certainly can, but if they do it seems to me that they run the risk of alienating customers. Of course, most cable providers have a virtual lock on their markets. To that extent one might be able to make a better case for regulation, but I would argue that what we need is more competition. In my mind it still comes down to personal choices.

321 posted on 04/06/2004 2:06:46 PM PDT by olorin
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To: weegee
"When sodomy laws fell by Judical declaration, I don't see how prostitution laws were not affected by the same decision."

I don't either, but that's because I disagree with the federal court's usurpation of the proper role of the states. I agree that the USSC could make the same argument with respect to prostitution. I just disagree that they have the power to do so.
322 posted on 04/06/2004 2:07:04 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: antiRepublicrat
Why should it be illegal to sell what is perfectly legal to give away for free?

You'll have to ask the Supreme Court that one. I see no reason why prostitution is illegal in light of last year's sodomy ruling. I've been arguing that very point.

323 posted on 04/06/2004 2:07:13 PM PDT by weegee (No blood for ratings-CNN suppressed reports of torture & murder in Iraq to keep their Baghdad bureau)
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To: weegee
Domesticated animals (pets and livestock) are controlled to some extent to do our bidding but man hardly controls the life of every animal.

Just as government does not yet control the life of every man. If this government power expansion keeps progressing, we'll all be animals living on Uncle Sam's (or the UN's) farm. I'd rather remain a man.

324 posted on 04/06/2004 2:08:39 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: olorin
oops, sorry about the formatting boo-boo
325 posted on 04/06/2004 2:09:40 PM PDT by olorin
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To: robertpaulsen; Modernman
Can't a community decide these issues? Issues like strip clubs, adult book stores, prostitution, etc.?

If they're violating someones' rights, sure. If not, the community members should settle them privately, via deed restrictions, boycotts, etc.

326 posted on 04/06/2004 2:10:05 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
"Breaking the terms of a contract, especially while engaging in fraud and deceit, is criminal."

Your statement seems to imply that there are times that breaking a contract without fraud and deceit could be criminal. Doubtful.

In any event, I doubt that criminal prosecution of adultery is an idea that's really going to get off the ground in America. Let's leave that to the sandy countries.
327 posted on 04/06/2004 2:10:50 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: biblewonk
"A criminal law regarding adultery is quite defensible from a secular viewpoint."

"Good differentiation between secular and biblical reasoning."

Well, except for the part about it not being accurate.
328 posted on 04/06/2004 2:12:52 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: Modernman; jimt
Well, my point was that a community is basically a small government. jimt believes that a "desire to have government deal with "sin", however, is the recipe for tyranny."

At what level of government? The state? The city?

Why can't a state like Utah ban whatever they want?

329 posted on 04/06/2004 2:14:04 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: weegee
I for one don't want to see porn spam email and porn popups when I am websurfing.

Me neither. That's why I set my mail filter to exclude the porn spam, and my browser to refuse pop-ups.

I have no problem restricting the dissemination of porn to people who haven't asked for it. I do have a problem with restricting the dissemination of porn to people who've freely consented to receive it. And as for 'community standards', these make no sense in the internet age.

330 posted on 04/06/2004 2:18:50 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: olorin
Big Media is fighting a culture war. To accept some of the "good" programming offered, a household must consent to allow all sorts of "bad" programming in as well.

A parent who "tolerates" the excesses offered by some of the corporations gives them a green light to air such programming to children. This is what the dominant liberal media does.

If corporations were pressured (by individuals, not government) to do the "right" thing, they would separate out the "good" from the "bad" (and let their potential audience know where they could find such materials). But the homosexual agenda is being fought the same way the opposition to conservative ideals is being fought, through a media propaganda campaign.

A channel like MTV can be offensive and explicit and programs to an underage audience yet it is offered in most cable packages. Even if you don't watch it and block it out, your cable subscription fee still goes in part to Viacom-MTV.

Some people are asking for customers to be allowed to "opt in" to channels (especially in a digital environment like satellite) rather than "opt out". In the absence of any broadcast standards from the corporations, it seems like a reasonable request.

The only reason to REQUIRE a customer to buy garbage that he will never watch is to inflate the bill and create an illusion of market exposure. I don't think that any customer should be required to buy porn (especially when different porn producers do it well or lousy).

331 posted on 04/06/2004 2:19:24 PM PDT by weegee (No blood for ratings-CNN suppressed reports of torture & murder in Iraq to keep their Baghdad bureau)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I filter for spam and I continue to have to block new spam.

I do not have to do this with my physical mailbox. The responsiblity to send porn to only those who want it resides with the corporation, not the public. This is why they must be prosecuted.

332 posted on 04/06/2004 2:21:25 PM PDT by weegee (No blood for ratings-CNN suppressed reports of torture & murder in Iraq to keep their Baghdad bureau)
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To: robertpaulsen
Why can't a state like Utah ban whatever they want?

Certain things are constitutionally protected. Porn is, but obscenity isn't. The problem is that SCOTUS came up with the concept of community standards before the internet existed. If a website in San Francisco depicting gay porn is viewed by people in Alabama, what community standards should be used to judge whether the pornography in question is actually obscene? The prosecutor would want Alabama standards to apply, the defendant would want Bay Area standards.

333 posted on 04/06/2004 2:21:49 PM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: jimt
So you're saying that my little cozy city of 10,000 or 20,000 people can do nothing to stop a strip club from opening within the city limits?

That we can boycott it, but not stop people from the all surrounding areas to patronize it?

334 posted on 04/06/2004 2:22:18 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: weegee
"Some people are asking for customers to be allowed to "opt in" to channels (especially in a digital environment like satellite) rather than "opt out". In the absence of any broadcast standards from the corporations, it seems like a reasonable request."

I am all for this. I could dump 100 channels I never watch. I think we need a consumer revolt on this issue. Maybe get everybody to cancel their subscription for a month or two. That'll probably happen about the same time everyone stops buying gas on the same day.
335 posted on 04/06/2004 2:23:25 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: robertpaulsen; jimt
So you're saying that my little cozy city of 10,000 or 20,000 people can do nothing to stop a strip club from opening within the city limits?

I don't see strip club zoning as any different than zoning that bans, say, a slaughter-house from residential areas. A community has the power to limit what types of businesses operate within the boundaries of that community.

336 posted on 04/06/2004 2:25:54 PM PDT by Modernman (Work is the curse of the drinking classes. -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Modernman
A city can ban a strip club but not a state? Is that where the line is drawn?

I just don't understand why the residents of a state have to put up with strip clubs if they have enough votes to ban them.

337 posted on 04/06/2004 2:32:18 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: republicofdavis
In the meantime, I "opt in" by just buying/renting the programming I want to watch on DVD and boycott the pay-tv industry altogether.

I'd like to have some channels but can't justify the cost. I can buy several DVDs for what a month of cable or satellite costs and these programs don't even get aired.

It would be nice to have cable for some breaking news items but I've seen just how lousy "The Weather Channel" is at actually having current reports (they lag by hours even during emergencies). I'm also aware of how bad "news" channels are; FR gives me enough of a "breaking news" report.

338 posted on 04/06/2004 2:37:02 PM PDT by weegee (No blood for ratings-CNN suppressed reports of torture & murder in Iraq to keep their Baghdad bureau)
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To: weegee
"In the meantime, I "opt in" by just buying/renting the programming I want to watch on DVD and boycott the pay-tv industry altogether. I'd like to have some channels but can't justify the cost. I can buy several DVDs for what a month of cable or satellite costs and these programs don't even get aired."

Netflix, $20 a month, all you can watch! We love it.

339 posted on 04/06/2004 2:45:52 PM PDT by republicofdavis
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To: robertpaulsen; Modernman
RP:So you're saying that my little cozy city of 10,000 or 20,000 people can do nothing to stop a strip club from opening within the city limits?

MM:I don't see strip club zoning as any different than zoning that bans, say, a slaughter-house from residential areas. A community has the power to limit what types of businesses operate within the boundaries of that community.

On a practical level, "communities" can and do prohibit such businesses, and such prohibitions have been held to be legal.

We'll get far afield from the injustice department wasting resources on pornography if we go into land use issues. Suffice it to say I believe zoning is a bad thing. Fortunately Houston has none - land use is largely regulated by deed restrictions, which range from virtually no restrictions to very strict ones.

340 posted on 04/06/2004 3:02:51 PM PDT by jimt
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