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Dead Souls: The Denationalization of the American Elite
The National Interest ^ | Spring 2004 | Samuel Huntington

Posted on 04/05/2004 4:27:12 AM PDT by shrinkermd

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"The moralistic approach decries patriotism and nationalism as evil forces and argues that international law, institutions, regimes and norms are morally superior to those of individual nations. Commitment to humanity must supersede commitment to nation. This view is found among intellectuals, academics and journalists.

Perhaps the acrimony regarding outsourcing on FR and other pages is a function of patriotism more than economics.

This is a classic paper, to be sure, but the author could have included some of the psychological studies on small groups and small group behavior.

1 posted on 04/05/2004 4:27:13 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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2 posted on 04/05/2004 4:28:57 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: shrinkermd
The pornographic perverted 'nation' is seen in the rulings of its 'leaders'.

The 'marriage' (contracts) with confusion and death?

The 'high' priesthood of Darwin's Sociologists and Psychiatry are seen in it's,.... 'Wholly' scripture.

The worldview culture is seen in the extremes of it's anarchy and controls.

(And the elimination of true 'free' speech,....anywhere, anytime.)

(PC?).......behind the 'Wall' of Soviet KGB litigation now in Amerika?

ABA=KGB?

/sarcasm

3 posted on 04/05/2004 4:44:58 AM PDT by maestro
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4 posted on 04/05/2004 4:48:04 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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5 posted on 04/05/2004 4:52:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (See baby pictures on the Tax-chick page!)
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To: shrinkermd
The "elites" prefer a "planned" economy and society, with themselves, of course, as the planners. They have more in common with their fellow "planners" across the globe, than they do with joe-sixpack.

When your main skill is intrigue and organizational politics, and your main asset is your web of contacts and the powerful people who owe favors to you, the last thing you want to see is the chaos and randomity of a free market economy, where upstarts can rise to riches -- upstarts who owe you nothing

6 posted on 04/05/2004 4:58:17 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: shrinkermd
That is true to the extent that those of us opposed to outsouvring undersand that there is a hogher value to being that purely the economic one,namely that liberty is the highest value and that economic freedom underpins political freedom.
7 posted on 04/05/2004 5:02:26 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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8 posted on 04/05/2004 5:04:09 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: dirtboy
Long, but excellent read. I agree with 99% of it. My one reservation is the emphasis he places on America being a Protestant nation, culturally, as opposed to being a Christian nation. I'm not sure that our national character would be that much different if our roots had been Catholic, provided that Protestant churches were allowed to flourish, as well.

Thanks for pinging me to this.

11 posted on 04/05/2004 6:14:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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12 posted on 04/05/2004 6:21:16 AM PDT by spodefly (A tagline is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Dog Gone
If the USA was formed as a "Catholic" nation, it would not have turned out anything like it did. Arguably, there never would have been an American Revolution at all.

In the late 1700's, the Church was still very much a temporal power, and frankly, had essentially a stultifying effect on individual liberty. Only Holland and Britain, Protestant nations, developed representative governments and embraced individual rights. Catholic nations like Spain, Portugal and France remained pretty oppressive.

Not looking to flame, I was born and raised a Catholic and don't have any axe to grind with the Church. But the historical record is pretty clear.
13 posted on 04/05/2004 6:45:48 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: shrinkermd
Good read.
14 posted on 04/05/2004 7:01:30 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: CasearianDaoist
The Anglo-Protestant WASP, Eastern Seaboard elite lead the way downward. Sometime after WW2 they decided to pursue the path of material pleasures and moral degeneracy over other considerations. This set a bad example which others emulated.

It's not all their fault but much can laid at their doorstep. Just look how long they've been unthinkingly & lazily been endowing the best universities without insisting on fair and balanced curriculum and faculties. Harvard Yale etc. on down the line. The WASP elite abdicated.
15 posted on 04/05/2004 7:33:47 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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If the USA was formed as a "Catholic" nation, it would not have turned out anything like it did.

Yes, Anglo Saxon Protestants made this nation what it is with many of the attitudes and sensibilities they brought from Great Britain and other North European nations. Look at the mess that Catholic Spain made of Latin America.

Many immigrants and children of immigrants, Catholic and Jewish adopted these Anglo attitudes and shucked off much of their Old World thinking. 

People don't want to immigrate to Catholic founded Latin America and Mexico, Central America. People want to immigrate to Anglo Protestant founded America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

16 posted on 04/05/2004 7:42:36 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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The CIA, one of its officials said in 1999, can no longer count on the cooperation of American corporations as it once was able to do, because the corporations view themselves as multinational and may not think it in their interests to help the U.S. government.1

They have no loyalty but fully expect the expense of tax money to defend "American interests." They have effectively socialized the risk that their investments abroad could be subject to war, nationalization, or unrest. The funds for the military are paid exclusively by those who are getting screwed when these guys leave for lower costs (including regulation, labor, and taxation). Interestingly, these same global interests are funding NGOs to assure the economic destruction of their competitors via the use of regulatory power. If we simply taxed these interests for the services they demand, the illusion of "comparative advantage would vanish."

17 posted on 04/05/2004 7:44:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: dennisw
Actually I would set the date back for that to the inter-war period with the locus being in the 1920s. It is interesting to note however that Teddy Roosevelt remarked on this growing tendency at the turn of the century.

It is the typical case of commanding power without seeking responsibility for it. Paradoxically, democracy requires a elite - it just requires one that also a moral elites. Ironically, the hectoring, self-righteous, PC mobs are just imitating to old 19th Century WASP elite but without and real moral understanding underpinning there posturings.

18 posted on 04/05/2004 7:44:57 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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While I understand what you're saying, I think the determining factor was inheriting the concepts of representative democracy from the British, rather than the particular brand of Christianity. After all, France, a heavily Catholic nation, followed our lead within a decade or so with the French Revolution and many of the Spanish colonies in the Western Hemisphere also eventually followed suit.

So, while I think I agree with you that many of the concepts on which this country was founded were derived from Protestantism in Europe, Catholic people were adopting them as well, and it wouldn't have precluded the American Revolution.

We'll never know, of course. BTW, I'm not Catholic and never have been, so I raised the question purely out of curiousity.

19 posted on 04/05/2004 7:55:13 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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They have effectively socialized the risk that their investments abroad could be subject to war, nationalization, or unrest.

AKA socializing the risks and expenses while privatizing the profits. Also is done when our major corporations reap enhanced profits from illegal immigration while thrusting the costly social damages upon the taxpayers

20 posted on 04/05/2004 8:07:33 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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