Fallujah leaders condemn gruesome murders amid US threats of revenge

AFP | 4/02/04

[BulletBobCo]

Minimally, the US should completely destroy the bridge they used to hang these poor people.I prefer, minimally, that Fallujah be completely destroyed, leaving only the bridge standing.

[Jeff Head]

Where these so-called leaders the day of the murders! Where were their police. A city of 500,000 has a sizable police force...which they are now showing today at all the checkpoints they are setting up. These leaders could have ordered them into the streets to put down the violence and murdering but THEY chose not to.

Now that Bremer is making it apparant that this city will be pacified, and the military leaders are saying it will be forceful and effective...they come out with this?

town leaders rushed to denounce Wednesday's grisly killings

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!

Short of them turning over hundreds of people who were seen involved with the murders and descecrations, short of them establishing total martial law and allowing our troops to come into Fallujah in strength to pacify the dissidents...to round them up...to establish interment camps...and then themsleves resigning and humbly and contritely agreeing to an interim government of the town established by US forces and administered by the same until the handover of power on June 30...in short, short of their abject surrender and self abasement before our forces...we should go in their an accomplish all of the same at the point of a bayonette.

Jeff

[BlueLancer]

"Kill them all."

200 years from now, I want their children's children's children's children
to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead
because their legends tell of fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth,
shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines
because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters
crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with
"If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you",
and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology
will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea
.. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness.

(Original created by BlueLancer ... 13 September 2001)
(Thanks to HiJinx for the accompanying pictures)

Kill them all ... nits make lice.
(COL Chivington, Sand Creek)

[ought-six]

"Are these the same leaders who were dancing in the streets after the slaughter??? I say...level the town."

I've read a great many news articles in which residents of Fallujah openly praised the murders and the mutilations, and dared American troops to enter the town. There is widespread hatred of Americans in Fallujah, and the town is populated with radical Islamists (Wahibbism, or however the hell it is spelled, is dominat there) and Saddam loyalists, both of whom share a deep-rooted hatred of America and Americans. The residents of Fallujah are our enemy. The imams are town officials are only "condemning" the atrocities because they are scared sh!tless of the Amreican response to come. They now realize that GWB is in charge, not Bill Clinton.

[DollyCali]

TOO Little
TOO Late
TOO EMPTY
TOO Bad
ToodleLoo Fallujah
You deserve all you will get

[Jon Alvarez]

Yeah, they better...Or Else: They go BOOM!

[MrB]

>>Islam is encouraged to lie to all non-muslims.

Expanding on your point: Arab culture is based on deception, a good liar is held in high esteem as "clever" not as despicable.

They must have loved Clinton.

[Jon Alvarez]

fyi...

RIP Scott Helveston

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/combatmissions/squads/delta.html

Former Navy Seal and hero

[JohnHuang2]

I hear ya, bro. My sentiments completely.

[Iscool]

There is widespread hatred of Americans in Fallujah

That's what the US gov't wants us to believe...What were they doing in Detroit??? Dancing in the streets by the thousands like they did on 9/11 ??? This is not a Fallujah problem, or an Iraqi problem...It's a muslim problem...

[Tom Bombadil]

punitive and retaliatory

While this may be emotionally satifying, it might be better if the response was geared towards exterminating the threat.

Threat extermination may look a little like punishment and retaliation, but the results are far more peaceful. Gather good intelligence, position your forces, and stomp hard precisely where it will do the most good.

Hamas pulled back from public encouragement of attacks on the United States precisely because they knew that they don't want to get into an unlimited war with the United States. These folks in Fallujah may be about to find out why.

[SBprone]

"Now that Bremer is making it apparant that this city will be pacified, and the military leaders are saying it will be forceful and effective...they come out with this?"

Here's the deal. The power brokers in this city are now terrifed by our cold blooded response thus far. The city is cordoned and the Marines can search one small sector at a time under the protective cover of scout sniper teams and whatever else is needed to make them keep their heads down. When our guys are done there will be no weapons left in this town. We can arrest their leaders including all of the imams and clan leaders and keep them in EPW pens for as long as we like.

These clowns now realize they went too far and they wish they could turn the clock back a week.

[TrueBeliever9]

Turn over to American forces all of the filth who participated in this savagery.

Today before sunset! The four were the security team delivering food!

[DustyMoment]

The problem remains, though. Muslims, almost universally, are not condemning the murders of the four men as brutal acts of savagery perpetrated agonst those trying to help them. The only Muslims speaking out about the murders in Fallujah condemn it on the basis of the mutilation - and there aren't a lot of Muslims speaking out about that.

Apologies - ya ever notice that people are only sorry for wretched behavior after they are caught? Fits of conscience only occur in the aftermath of violence, never before. This "apology" isn't worth the paper it was written on.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I'll believe them when they turn the dead bodies of those responsible over to the Marines.

[schaketo]

Top US military spokesman Mark Kimmitt said "we will respond. It is going to be deliberate and precise and it will be overwhelming.

It’s easy enough. We have their pictures. Find them, cut off their ears, and make them watch while they are fed to hogs. Take lots of pictures and send the pictures to family members. It’s an old Stalin trick that seemed to be very effective.

[pitinkie]

They only denounce the mutilation.

[LouD]

 

Departmental Ditties and Other Verses

The Grave of the Hundered Head

Rudyard Kipling

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THERE’S a widow in sleepy Chester
     Who weeps for her only son;
There’s a grave on the Pabeng River,
     A grave that the Burmans shun,
And there’s Subadar Prag Tewarri
     Who tells how the work was done.

A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
     Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
     Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
     And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
     Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
     Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
     As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
     A blanket over his face—
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
     The men of an alien race—
They made a samadh in his honor,
     A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
     They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
     Should go to his God in state;
With fifty file of Burman
     To open him Heaven’s gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
     Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
     The village of Pabengmay—
A jingal covered the clearing,
     Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
     Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
     Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
     With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
     Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
     On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar’s flanking-party
     Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
     Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
     Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shickaris
     Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
     Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village—
     The village of Pabengmay,
And the “drip-drip-drip” from the baskets
     Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
     High as a tall man’s chin,
Head upon head distorted,
     Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
     Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
     Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
     The head of his son below,
With the sword and the peacock-banner
     That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
     Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris—
     The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
     Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
     A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
     And Sniders squibbed no more;
     For he Burmans said
     That a kullah’s head
Must be paid for with heads five score.

There’s a widow in sleepy Chester
     Who weeps for her only son;
There’s a grave on the Pabeng River,
     A grave that the Burmans shun,
And there’s Subadar Prag Tewarri
     Who tells how the work was done.

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[sam_paine]

Yeah. The FR title says they condemn the murder, but apparently in the text, they do not.

[Miss Marple]

Oh, how I love Kipling! Thanks for the poem...which shows that things don't change much.