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The "Outsourcing Jobs" myth
Human Events On line ^ | 3/23/04 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/23/2004 11:25:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie

Every political campaign seems to have some buzzword, and this year's buzzword is "outsourcing." Since the economic recovery has not yet reached the stage when new jobs are being created to the extent expected and hoped, the idea that American jobs are being sent overseas has political mileage, whether or not it has much economic substance.

A recent poll of economists by the Wall Street Journal found that only 16 percent of them saw outsourcing as having a significant impact on the over-all job picture. More important, the political remedies being suggested to stop outsourcing are virtually guaranteed to make things worse.

(Excerpt) Read more at humaneventsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; jobless; jobs; myth; outsourcing; recovery; thomassowell; trade; unemployment
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To: bvw
I'm not really sure what you're asking here, but to answer your question, I leave my house unlocked (in fact, one door doesn't even have a lock) and I lock my car more often than not.

Generally, though, I'm not really concerned about being approached at a red light, unless it's by an annoying fireman with a boot or a homeless guy wanting to clean my windshield. Either way, my response is the same: drive on.
141 posted on 03/23/2004 2:51:55 PM PST by Il Duce
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To: Il Duce
economics shows us that if a country unilaterally lowers its trade barriers to zero it will be better off

Where, what and who's economics, please give some reference for that claim.

142 posted on 03/23/2004 2:53:09 PM PST by bvw
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To: adam_az
Amazing that someone can be so wrong. I remember reading the editorial (perhaps by Pat Buchanan?) where the agricultural, mineral, and lumber export canard appeared. Of course, it was framed in a way ("the segments showing the greatest year-to-year increases," or some such nonsense) to mislead the reader. I recall wondering at the time how many times this economic "fact" will be repeated in the future.
143 posted on 03/23/2004 2:54:52 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: iconoclast
I never said that outsourcing wasn't for real. Like I said earlier: it's rather the point.

As far as border protection goes, I don't have a problem with immigration. The more people, the larger the market, the more opportunity for division of labor.
144 posted on 03/23/2004 2:55:01 PM PST by Il Duce
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To: Il Duce
If the homeless guy hopped in and started cleanng your ashtrays ... what would you do? A free trade advocate would say that's his right. It's a service he is providing and not only that, with all the dirty ashtrays -- clearly it's "a job Americans will not do".

And ... would you buy a car -- new -- that did not lock? Or would you ask your wife -- mother -- to drive around town in an unlocked car. Or better yet -- do you insist your wife reamain faithful? By all the logic and economics of the "Free Traders" a wife is best available to any man who can best service her.

145 posted on 03/23/2004 2:58:41 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
You can check pretty much any intro economics text, and while I am fixing to get off here for the time being, I'll post a cite for you in a bit, when I have a little more time.
146 posted on 03/23/2004 2:58:57 PM PST by Il Duce
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To: Il Duce
I just checked my MacKay -- his is the fundamental treatise on economics that I have found. He seems to say it's a folly ... something about Mississippi. It's a fair inference of an advice.
147 posted on 03/23/2004 3:04:19 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
As the so-called "free traders" advocate erasing the borders, eliminating patriotism, and America as a separate nation in their Globalist, One World Government quest, I'm sure that morality and ethics will also go by the wayside. Afterall, they have nothing to do with Capitalism and interfere so much with making a decent profit in their short-sighted view. I suppose they are planning on using mercenaries to protect them behind their walled estates just outside the toxic waste dump that buffers them from the feudal masses.
148 posted on 03/23/2004 3:19:50 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: iconoclast; arete; Starwind; rohry; Beck_isright; Tasha
The finances of the country were in a state of the utmost disorder. A profuse and corrupt Senate, whose profuseness and corruption were imitated by almost every functionary, from the highest to the lowest grade, had brought the USA to the verge of ruin.

The national debt was huge and many times the national revenue and the ever-grwing national expenditures per annum; left less available to pay the interest upon the debt. The first care of the Executive, Treasury and National Bankers was to discover a remedy for an evil of such magnitude, and a council was early summoned to take the matter into consideration.

The measures ultimately adopted, though they promised fair, only aggravated the evil. The first, and most dishonest measure, was of no advantage to the state. A subtle remonetization was ordered, by which the currency was gradully, surely depreciated to a small franction of what it once had ordained. Private gold was banned and seized for a low value, new paper notes then issued.were backed by a fractional amount of the gold, as its axchange rate was fixed, after a number of years even that poorly valued "exchange" was closed and the paper money was backed by faith or whimsy alone. By this contrivance the treasury gained billions of the citizen's wealth and all the commercial operations of the country were disordered. A trifling diminution of the taxes silenced the clamours of the people, and for the slight present advantage the great prospective evil was forgotten.

A great flux and myriad number of innovative accounting schemes deveoped in the public companies and markets following this switch to completly unbacked money. Eventually these became so outrageous, complex and unweildy and causing great suffering to the pensions and savings of the populace that a great cry for "Jutice!" went forth and the courts, hury rooms and Federal inmate housing units were soon overwhelmed by the ex-titans of industry and market brought low before the outcry. Eventually -- quickly really -- the whetted appetite of the public for such Judicial spectacle proved shallow and fleet ... The severity of the government relaxed, and fines, under the denomination of arcane taxes regulation and fine, were indiscriminately levied upon all corporate offenders. But so corrupt was every department of the administration, that the country benefited but little by the sums which thus flowed into the treasury.

In all, it was that the people, who, after the first burst of their resentment is over, generally express a sympathy for the weak, were indignant that so much severity should be used to so little purpose. They did not see the justice of robbing one set of rogues to fatten another. In a few months all the more guilty had been brought to punishment, and the chamber of justice looked for victims in humbler walks of life. Charges of fraud and extortion were brought against tradesmen of good character, in consequence of the great inducements held out to common informers. They were compelled to lay open their affairs before the Senate and Regulatory panels and IRS auditors in order to establish their innocence. The voice of complaint resounded from every side, and at the expiration of some years the government found it advisable to discontinue further proceedings. The chamber of justice was suppressed, and a general amnesty granted to all against whom no charges had yet been preferred.

It was at this point that the Chinese note-holders appeared in the Districts of Finance, Judicial and Legislation. Laden with decades of all (or most) of the notes of credit the USA had issued under the reign of fiat money, they demanded satisfaction ...

Adapted -- too closely for comfort, btw -- from Charles MacKay's "Mississippi Scheme" chapter of that singular and wonderful work of his.
149 posted on 03/23/2004 3:47:38 PM PST by bvw
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll; hchutch; Cultural Jihad
I suppose they are planning on using mercenaries to protect them behind their walled estates just outside the toxic waste dump that buffers them from the feudal masses.

Your rhetoric is amazingly similar to the rhetoric of such notable conservative luminaries as Karl Marx, Che Guevara, Josef Stalin, Kim Il-Sung, and Mao Tse-Tung.

150 posted on 03/23/2004 3:56:09 PM PST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Maj. Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: adam_az
Not true.

Wow. After I got my eyes back in their sockets from all those numbers, I Googled this:

The gross numbers make the United States look like a manufacturing powerhouse. The latest numbers reporting the first two months of this year show America exported $82.6 billion in manufactured goods and only $9.3 in agricultural goods. However, exports are only half of the story. During the same period, the United States imported $135.7 billion in manufactured goods and $6.2 billion in agricultural goods. The net result is a $53 billion trade deficit in manufactured goods and a $3 billion surplus in agricultural goods. A large trade deficit in manufactured goods and a surplus in agricultural goods is the profile of a Third World colony.

Source: Paul Craig Roberts, April 25 2002 in an article VERY aptly titled Smug in a no-think existence

151 posted on 03/23/2004 4:14:44 PM PST by iconoclast
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To: Poohbah
It is not the future I want, but it does seem to be the one that many so-called "free traders" who advocate Globalist policies like eliminating our borders want.
I believe that a strong, vibrant middle-class in America is what makes a strong, vibrant America. Our current trade policies are hurting America's middle-class. High-wage, high-tech jobs are being replaced with low-wage, low-skill jobs.
<>BTW, morality and ethics are not the hallmarks of communism, just the opposite. So trying to say my remarks sound like Karl Marx, when I'm pointing out a lack of Business Ethics is missing my point entirely.

The U.S. Constitution grants power to Congress to regulate commerce. Watching corporations chase the cheapest world labor pool, to Mexico, oops not cheap enough, to India, to Red China is not close to free trade. Reciprocal, fair trade does not include one side having high-tariffs, devaluing their money 40%, using forced prison labor and stealing all of our technology.

Maybe you think that's a good way to trade, but I don't, and I don't see a very bright future for America if our current trade policies continue.

Maybe you need a refresher, there's nothing here about protecting and empowering Red China or India:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

152 posted on 03/23/2004 4:17:54 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Il Duce
"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

--Benito Mussolini, Italian Duce


Hey Il Duce, is this why you chose your name?
153 posted on 03/23/2004 4:19:08 PM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: adam_az
BTW ad, here's another example of the danger of swallowing unexamined raw data:

Not all U.S. exports actually are exports. Last year, U.S. firms sent $45.6 billion in goods "in bond" to their Mexican facilities. Such goods are counted as "exports" because they cross national borders. However, such goods are not sold to Mexicans. It is illegal for "in bond" goods to enter the Mexican economy.

U.S. facilities in Mexico used Mexican labor to add $30 billion in value to these goods before they were returned to the United States as $75 billion in imports. In truth, there was no $45.6 billion in exports -- just $30 billion in imports.

154 posted on 03/23/2004 4:31:48 PM PST by iconoclast
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To: MNJohnnie
Read later.
155 posted on 03/23/2004 4:46:40 PM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: MNJohnnie
Sowell nails it.
156 posted on 03/23/2004 5:02:10 PM PST by Tennessean4Bush (Democrats use facts like a drunk uses a lamppost -- for support rather than illumination.)
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To: adam_az
Maybe if you and your coworkers were more productive, they wouldn't have outsourced?

Maybe if they'd kept you at the same price and your productivity hadn't changed, the entire company would have gone out of business... leading to EVERY employee being laid off.

Yeah!! and maybe if you'd learn to live on $6000 / yr while watching senior management take another pay raise you'd still have your jobs. How dare you expect to live a middle class existance, only lawyers, CEOs and gvt employees are allowed that luxury. Just remember, the more middle class jobs we ship overseas, the more prosperous our country becomes.

157 posted on 03/23/2004 5:04:21 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Bikers4Bush
I am far more fearful of the government, at all levels, having stockpiles of personal information on me than I am any corporation. Government has a tool that corporations don't and that is the legal use of force, deadly if they choose.
158 posted on 03/23/2004 5:08:26 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: iconoclast
-- just $30 billion in imports.

We're not exactly getting off topic because imports of good and imports of services have something in common.  They're not inherently good or bad.  The important things should be are we working and can we buy things.  That's where the focus needs to be.  Many countries have a lot of people out of work and a trade surplus, and other countries have the reverse.  Anecdotes aside, here we have low unemployment and rising wages.  Why can't we just keep doing what works?

159 posted on 03/23/2004 5:39:47 PM PST by expat_panama
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To: bvw
Nice post...

But, do you know that I am the only person that you have pinged that is still a (semi) active poster on this site?
160 posted on 03/23/2004 5:55:17 PM PST by rohry
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