Rosie's Story (20/20 background; Dads are Missing)

ABC News ^ | March 14, 2002 | Rebecca Raphael

[gobucks]

"That's a gutsy analysis.

But it fits the situation of every gay person that I have known."

Me too. I have yet to hear a gay person speak or introduce me to a father that was present and engaged in a loving way with that gay person.

The harvest of weak fathers is a truth that can be extended to a great many other areas. Its not really gutsy on my part.

I was for a long while one of those 'boys' trapped inside the body of a man. Then, I'll be blunt, Christ made an offer I couldn't refuse. (fwiw, I wasn't one of those crushed in the gutter types seeking rescue. Carreer was great, all was well ... He just sort of crept up on me and said 'Surprise!!')

To be a man first means a boy has to be willing to cast aside navel gazing tendencies and simply look up and have an open mind to His expectations. After that, masculinity flows as a consequence of having a decent dialogue w/ the Counselor that was promised to be sent.

It's been a very, very interesting revelation to me, and the subsequent journey is beyond description.

Weak fathers, in a nutshell, have weak relationships with God ... and our entire, relatively godless, society currently reflects that reality.

It was once said you can't really know how to live if there's nothing worth dying for in your life. Christ, sorry but this is so true, demonstrated that you just have to be WILLING to carry that darn thing the world wants to nail you to .... then you get to imitate Him in a way, and 'rise from the dead'.

Becoming a man is mostly connected with rising from the 'dead'. Or, you could say its like saying "I once was blind, but now I see...."

Or, you could say, "Its nice to be awakened".

But, I would be lying if I claimed that I 'grew up' as if it was something I chose to do all by myself. I would be lying if I claimed I was my own wellspring of courage ... nope. I received help, big time. (Thank You God).

[Last Dakotan]

...yellow cowardice permeates every corner of their souls..

Ok, we've established that you don't like men.

[NYCVirago]

You know what I can't wait to see? When Rosie and her "wife" have the inevitable splitup, and the custody and alimony fights. Did you know Rosie didn't have her "wife" sign a prenuptial agreement? Big mistake.

[NYCVirago]

This may be nitpicking, but I thought it was amusing:

"When all my friends in high school, my girlfriends, were going out to bars and picking up men and fooling around on the beach," she says, "I would get Diet Coke and I was the designated driver. So it was never like a priority for me. I never thought about it."

Rosie O'Donnell was born in 1962, and graduated from high school in 1980. Not only did the concept of a "designated driver" not come into use until the mid-80s (MADD was only first founded in 1980), but Diet Coke wasn't even invented until 1982! So, her cutesy story doesn't pass the smell test.

[AmishDude]

Narcissism is very common among them, IMO.

Break down the word "homosexual".

[gobucks]

Please, don't misunderstand. What I find frustrating is the utter lack of most folks to look at reality. And the reality is this: most men abdicate the government of their own families to the women in those families.

It's that abdication that is the root cause of the society- wide nonsense we are witnessing in our 'modern' times. Bottom line, most men are scared to stand their ground w/ respect to the women in their lives. And the cause of that yellowness?

Failure to look after the spiritual relationships he has, first w/ God, then his family members.

It's not at all that I "don't like" men. Its that I don't like the forces at work today that are so successfully keeping the boys trapped in men's bodies unaware of their condition.

And those forces include nitwits like Rosie and the ABC lackeys who are advirtising her nonsense. Bottom line, there are just too few voices pointing the finger in the right direction .... men's shortcomings, inaction, neglect, and spinelessness.

We have Rosie, symbolically speaking, all across this country b/c of this virus-like timidity infecting so many men.

I'm willing to risk sounding silly and not credible in voiceing my own beliefs regarding the cause of 'gay' marriage. Maybe for one man out there, teetering on the edge of doubt, it will be the help needed to point him to a new way.

Maybe some daughter will benefit ... who knows. But if I can help one less 'Rosie and Kelly' develop and take their 'rightfult place' into this nutcase place called the USA in 2004, then I won't regret the risks taken.

[gobucks]

I mentioned to my wife the utter inevitibility of seeing future headlines about this 'brave' family. In many ways, they don't even see the utter sick track ABC is taking by parasitising on them, and esp their kids, right now.

I can just see the future news specials 10 years from now, remarking how the 'movement' isn't doing too well, and how gay marriages were not all they were cracked up to be.

Kelly, indeed, will move on. She'll get sick of 'Rosie's Dark side' she so positively commented on during her interview with B. Walters. I feel for those kids ... I really do.

[Devil_Anse]

LOL. I see no one in the media is gonna talk about the kid Rosie adopted, couldn't handle, and "gave back".

Thanks for clearing up why it's now 4. I know you didn't mean it this way, but you said "natural". What's natural about artificial insemination? I'm not knocking it; there are many good people who could only have children that way, apparently. But somehow it seems so UNNATURAL when someone uses it to have a baby ONLY b/c the mother is so mentally ill she can't commit to a man, nor have normal sex with said man.

And it's one thing to have an estranged father. It's much worse, though, IMO, to know that one's father and mother NEVER so much as even said hello to each other. Creepy, and Orwellian!

[Devil_Anse]

LOL, in this case I would have called it a pre-bullsh*t agreement.

[Devil_Anse]

Let me guess: Rosie's probably a lying sack of ca-ca? That wouldn't surprise me.

[Devil_Anse]

Touché!

[Devil_Anse]

FWIW, I visited with some friends of mine today. They are two homosexual men, and they tell us they have been a couple for about 30 years. I know for a fact that they've been together--although they're kind of tolerant of "outside action"--for at least 10 years. Anyway, they're easygoing, courteous people.

The song "Going To the Chapel" came on. I jokingly asked them, "Are you??" To which one of them replied, "I believe every person has a Constitutional right to......"

Pause.

He then continued: "... to have at least half of his stuff taken away by a court."

They're not rushing off to get "married". LOL.

[tutstar]

Floridians need to pass the word, pray , email, and call your legislators. Sen Pres Jim King is not the man he claimed to be and will vote for gay adoption if given the chance, I'm sure!
Don't believe it?
Read this article
http://www.stpetetimes.com/2004/02/10/Tampabay/Regret_plagues_King_a.shtml

[William Terrell]

I do not buy the notion that fathers are solely responsible for the sexual identification of both sexes of children.

[ladyinred]

I saw a few minutes of this show last night, and I couldn't help fearing for Rosie's "wife" as I think Rosie is prone to violence. She is just plain mean and scary in real life. I fear for those children, not just because they have have 2 "mommies", but because Rosie's recent trial revealed a decidedly vicious side of her personality. Very sad for those children.

[thoughtomator]

I know little of what makes some women homosexual. It is not difficult, however, to establish a strong link between absent or abusive fathers and male homosexuality.

[NYCVirago]

I can just see the future news specials 10 years from now, remarking how the 'movement' isn't doing too well, and how gay marriages were not all they were cracked up to be. Kelly, indeed, will move on. She'll get sick of 'Rosie's Dark side' she so positively commented on during her interview with B. Walters. I feel for those kids ... I really do.

Good post. It's inevitable that Kellie will move on -- Rosie has no TV show, no magazine, and no Broadway show now. She can milk this "professional gay" stuff for a while longer, but her Queen of Nice image is gone for good, particularly after the court fight about her magazine. Rosie seems like a person with real mental problems -- if she were straight, and raising those kids, I'd figure they'd be in for a rough time. Add their "mother" becoming a professional gay, and it's gotta be tough for them.

[gobucks]

Thank you for the nice way you pointed out how I sort of misapplied the word ' natural ' - and I'm glad you did it. Too often, in this world, silence.

And you could not be more right in regards to just how unnatural, indeed, orwellian, the choices being made by these two.

[gobucks]

I too have met gay couples who are men, some long term. And, I too can report, not a single one was 'faithful' to eachother - b/c it was understood that the 'lifestyle' was by design, 'open'.

All gay relationships that are male are 'open' according to every antecdote and actual research paper I have ever encountered.

[gobucks]

What data would be required by you before you would?