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RADIANCE VIEWSWEEKLY 7-13 March 2004 | 12 March 2004

Posted on 03/13/2004 2:31:26 AM PST by Doctor13

Jonathan Birt, the son of Lord Birt, and Emma Clark, the granddaughter of former liberal Prime Minister Herbert Asquith, are only two of 14,000 mostly-elite white Britons having reverted to Islam, reports said.

According to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon, carried by the Sunday Times on February 22, some of the country’s top landowners, celebrities and the offspring of senior Establishment figures have embraced Islam after being disillusioned with Western values.

The new study by Yahya (formerly Jonathan) Birt, son of Lord Birt, former director-general of the BBC, provides the first reliable data on the sensitive subject of Christians’ reversion to Islam.

He uses a breakdown of the latest census figures to conclude that there are now 14,200 white converts in Britain.

Speaking publicly for the first time about his faith, Birt argued that an inspirational figure, similar to the American convert Malcolm X for Afro-Caribbeans, would first have to emerge if the next stage, a mass conversion among white Britons, were to happen.

"You need great transitional figures to translate something alien (like Islam) into the vernacular," Birt, whose doctorate at Oxford University is on young British Muslims, was quoted by the Times.

"The image of Islam projected by political Islamic movements is not very attractive," he said.

Initially, Birt said he had no coherent reasons for converting, but "in the longer term I think it was the overall profundity, balance and coherence and spirituality of the Muslim way of life which convinced me," he said.

Meanwhile, it emerged last weekend that Emma Clark, the great-granddaughter of a British prime minister has converted. She said: "We’re all the rage, I hope it’s not a passing fashion."

Clark, who helped design an Islamic garden for the Prince of Wales at Highgrove, his Gloucestershire home, is now helping create a similar garden for a mosque in Woking, Surrey, on the site of a car park, said the British newspaper.

Furthermore, fresh evidence came last weekend that Islam has received formal acceptance at the heart of the Establishment. The Queen has approved new arrangements to allow Muslim staff at Buckingham Palace time off to attend Friday prayers at a mosque. A member of staff in the finance department is the first to take advantage of it, said the British paper.

Many converts have been inspired by the writings of Charles Le Gai Eaton, a former Foreign Office diplomat, it added.

"I have received letters from people who are put off by the wishy-washy standards of contemporary Christianity and they are looking for a religion which does not compromise too much with the modern world," said Eaton, author of Islam and the Destiny of Man

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; jihadineurope; ukmuslims
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To: mdmathis6; Gorzaloon; DustyMoment
I think the word should be conversion not reversion!


21 posted on 03/13/2004 6:19:15 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Doctor13
"We’re all the rage, I hope it’s not a passing fashion."

WOW! I am at a loss for further words.

22 posted on 03/13/2004 6:22:07 AM PST by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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To: Doctor13
23 posted on 03/13/2004 6:22:54 AM PST by petercooper (Florida 2000: Bush 2,912,790 - Gore 2,912,253)
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To: mdmathis6
Muslim doctrine is that everyone is born Muslim, and those who are converting are actually "reverting."

24 posted on 03/13/2004 6:23:15 AM PST by livius
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To: Doctor13
Here's some more about the Murabitun, taken from an article about Islamic activity in Chiapas:

The Islamic missionaries (to Mexico) arrived from Granada, Spain, soon after armed Zapatista rebels took over several towns in an uprising to demand better living conditions for Maya peasants in 1994.

The Spaniards are members of Murabitun, a Muslim order active in England, Chechnya, South Africa, Germany and now Mexico. The Murabitun are converts to the mystical Sufi strain of Islam.

Their worldwide leader is Sheik Abdalqadir al-Murabit, formerly Ian Dallas of Britain, who professes a ``communal,'' anti-capitalist and anti-Semitic form of Islam. In Mexico, the Murabitun are led by Aureliano Pérez, who calls himself Emir Nafia and lives on the outskirts of San Cristóbal.

Incidentally, the Spaniard Aureliano Pérez is a former (?) member of ETA.

These people are spread all over the place. In fact, there is another Islamic movement in Mexico led by a British convert. If Prince Charles is indeed a convert to Sufism, however, he is probably a Marabitun.

25 posted on 03/13/2004 6:31:44 AM PST by livius
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To: Neophyte
wishy washy is right. however, some in the faith are starting to get it: some boston "catholics" wanted to eat hot dogs at a ball game this coming Good Friday, so they asked the diocese for a "reprieve", but were told no. it was reported on the "All Bill Clinton" network as if they were being spanked by a mean parent. with media like this, it doesnt do much good for anything christian, and with nothing but praise for the "religion of peace", we have a monumental task to make Christianity what it always has been: the TRUE religion of love and peace. unfortunately, christianity is seen as oppressive, while islam is seen as good because of its stern attitudes.

i submit to you: is christianity NOT a religion of love and understanding, while islam is one of oppression? after all, does not islam mean "submission" and "obedience"? have we not all seen the actions of cowardly islamic "patriots"? is it not far off that the heated feelings of true christian patriots come to the fore and finally give up trying to live in a phony world of living normally while wondering when the next bomb is going to explode? i think the day is being pushed closer by acts committed by the islamisists, not the christians. yet, as it has been done 3 times in the past, the "bad crusaders" that christians have been called, will have to move to crush the aggressor muslim. it is inevitable, political correctness notwithstanding. no use trying to hide, that will be the conclusion of this war - only the outcome this time is in doubt because of the disconnected christian's weakness of fortitude.
26 posted on 03/13/2004 6:38:28 AM PST by Zrob (freedom without lies)
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To: Doctor13
The church in England has been dying for a long time. Modern hip Christianity has been so watered down. It promotes Jesus as your buddy instead of the King of Kings. It prattles about self esteem and never mentions sin. What young person would want to live and die for what's going on in most mainstream churches today? So the weak minded and the young and romantic turn to Islam.
27 posted on 03/13/2004 6:48:28 AM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: B.O. Plenty
Like American has no people converting to Islam.
28 posted on 03/13/2004 6:50:58 AM PST by Prodigal Son (Liberal ideas are deadlier than second hand smoke.)
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To: Doctor13
"reversion to Islam?" What?
29 posted on 03/13/2004 7:00:48 AM PST by cookcounty (John Flipflop Kerry ---the only man to have been on BOTH sides of 3 wars!)
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To: Doctor13
Bonnie Prince Charlie made it a point to bring in more Islamic studies into British school.

Would that be that German Prince Charles Hanover Windsor?

30 posted on 03/13/2004 7:08:03 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: mdmathis6
I think the word should be conversion not reversion!

With what Mohammad did to the Laws of God in his rip-off of scriptures, I tend to lean towards perversion.

31 posted on 03/13/2004 7:09:00 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: kitkat
the wishy-washy standards of contemporary Christianity

32 posted on 03/13/2004 7:21:54 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: DustyMoment
Muslems in their infinite arrogance, stupidity, and ignorance believe that all people are born muslem.Therefore, if someone converts, they are merely 'reverting' to Islam. The fact that the article's writer feels compelled to lend credence to that asinine notion by using their preferred phrasing is an indication of how powerful Islam has become in countries where (IMO) it should never have been allowed to gain a toehold.
33 posted on 03/13/2004 7:28:26 AM PST by kaylar
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To: JimSEA
"We’re all the rage, I hope it’s not a passing fashion."

That caught my eye, too. Sounds like a Brit Valley Girl.

You just know that if it does turn out to be a passing fashion, she's outta there.

34 posted on 03/13/2004 7:32:40 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Doctor13
Coming to America
35 posted on 03/13/2004 7:34:33 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nope, it's Carmella's Bonnie Prince Charlie.
36 posted on 03/13/2004 2:03:17 PM PST by Doctor13
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To: Gorzaloon
Or revulsion?
37 posted on 03/13/2004 2:21:41 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Doctor13
...offspring of senior Establishment figures have embraced Islam after being disillusioned with Western values.

It's easy to see the attraction in blowing yourself up and taking a couple hundred infidels with you and then being rewarded with seventy virgins...

38 posted on 03/13/2004 2:26:40 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Wilhelm Tell

The vacuum being created my the spineless church heirarchy, together with the treachery of this government, far from creating feelings of guilt for our past, has in fact produced very fertile ground for Fascism to flourish, which only needs an articulate educated leader to send it blazing across the land....and those who have "reverted" to Islam, could find themselves under such an agressive regime, being charged with treason and anti-British activities. Islam is already prooving to be a divisive religion within the country, and, although I support everyones right to worship in their chosen way, it must never be allowed to infringe on everyones freedom. The apparent "wishy washy" state of the country is the result of the second rate "wannabies" that have been governing us for the last twenty years.

39 posted on 01/09/2005 9:19:11 AM PST by midexion
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