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Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats
EIB ^ | 2-19-04 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 02/19/2004 6:27:40 PM PST by jmstein7

Ladies and gentlemen, let me set this up by saying that many of you I know are beside yourselves. You cannot believe what is happening to our culture; you cannot believe what's happening to the country; you can't believe that the law can be so wantonly violated and nobody stand up and do anything about it. This is a political movement that's taking place, this is a political issue, it's not a civil rights issue, it's not a legal issue, well, it's a legal issue but that's not the predominant manner in which it's being played out. It's being played out as a political issue.

Now, one thing that conservatives and Republicans know is just leave this alone and the Democrats will implode themselves on it. They will destroy themselves on this. Let me give you some numbers. California. Everybody has this impression of California, it's all liberal, there may be one or two conservatives for every 100 people out there, they are fringe, wacko conspiracy nuts so you can't count 'em, that whole state is gone; it's gone totally to the left. It's not true. It's totally not true.

Now, it is true that the Republican registration in California is 34%, but there was a ballot initiative recently, within the last two to three years. And the ballot initiative proposed making gay marriage illegal. It did so by stating that marriage will be that and continue to be that, an institution entered into by a man and a woman. This gay marriage ban voted on by the public in a ballot initiative, not the California legislature, won with 61% of the vote in a state with 34% Republican registration. This ballot initiative carried 52 of 58 counties.

It lost in San Francisco and Yolo County, which is where the People's Republic of Davis is. Davis is dangerously close to Sacramento. It's where the University of California Davis is. Most of the people there wear Birkenstocks and they drive bicycles all day and they shop for vegetables at the commune. I mean, its own little people's republic, and San Francisco is what it is, in those two counties the gay marriage ban was defeated, but in 52 of the 58 counties it passed. Even in San Francisco the gay marriage ban got one-third of the vote which is a lot in San Francisco. In the year 2000 presidential race, George Bush got 13% of the vote in San Francisco. The gay marriage ban got about a third of the vote. This issue is death for the Democrats, and particularly among minority voters, black and Hispanics and particularly when you subdivide the black and Hispanic voters in California into churchgoers, it really is a losing issue for the Democrats.

Now, the California state agency that records marriages said yesterday that forms that have been altered, which San Francisco has done on its homosexual marriage licenses, will not be registered. California has a standard application form for marriage licenses, and if it has been altered in any way, then it will not be registered and recorded. It will be sent back to the county of origin. These are the words of Nicole Evans, who is a spokeswoman for Kim Belshe, the California Health and Human Services secretary. "More than 2600 homosexual couples who have been quote, unquote, married since last week with the help of San Francisco's city and county officials have been crossing out 'groom and bride' as printed on the standard application and writing in phrases such as 'applicant number 1' and 'applicant number 2' or they've been writing in 'spouses for life.'" They are altering the form, they are invalidating the form and thus making the form illegal, every one of them. None of these forms will be accepted. This is all symbolic which makes it even worse for the Democrats. This issue is to the Democrats what Howard Dean was to the Democrats. Howard Dean had to be taken out because Howard Dean is an unapologetic liberal, and he is exactly what these people do not want to be known as. This issue of gay marriage, the Democrats themselves are going to have to take this out, because they cannot, they cannot allow for their party to be defined by this kind of issue or behavior.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2004; aids; anarchy; anarchyinamerica; anarchyincalifornia; counterfeitmarriage; cultureofdeath; democrats; democratsimplode; fraudmarriage; gwb2004; homosexualagenda; issues; lawlessness; leftsagenda; marriage; protectthefamily; romans1; rush; samesexmarriage; sanfrancisco; sf; stunt; westerncivilization
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To: TheLion
I am so tired of all the gutless wonders.

I agree... Only the Republican leaders can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. How sad...

21 posted on 02/19/2004 9:54:35 PM PST by CommandoFrank (If GW is the terrorist's worst nightmare, Kerry is their wet dream...)
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To: CommandoFrank
One of the reasons the Republicans are called "The Stupid Party" is that they allow the Democrats and their media allies to frighten them out of taking popular positions.

On controversial social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, and the gay agenda, the Democrat/Media drumbeat is that the GOP should avoid taking a conservative stand. The drumbeat is literally incessant, "warning" the GOP that they'll lose women voters, or suburban voters, or whomever, if they come out strongly on the conservative side of those issues.

The Republicans usually fall for it and decide to duck those issues. That allows the 'Rats to then frame the issue in a dishonest manner: "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but don't think it should be a political issue." "I'm against quotas, but support affirmative action." "I'm against gay marriage, but feel that an amendment to ban it would violate states' rights."

The result of this is that people with leftist views on those issues vote 'Rat, while people with rightist views split three ways (some stay home, some vote GOP because of other issues, some vote 'Rat because of other issues).

A knock-down electoral battle between a strong gay marriage proponent and a strong gay marriage opponent would result in the anti-gay marriage candidate winning in all but a few ultra-leftist precincts. But if the race is between a gay marriage proponent who pretends to oppose gay marriage, and a gay marriage opponent who avoids highlighting the issue out of unnecessary fear, the results are up in the air.
22 posted on 02/19/2004 10:05:05 PM PST by puroresu
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To: jmstein7
BTTT
23 posted on 02/19/2004 10:12:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: jmstein7
OK, I give up. Let the gays get married, but never, never let them get a divorce. Do you realize how many straight marriages break up? Make the gays suffer through a life time of marriage with no way out.
24 posted on 02/19/2004 10:18:38 PM PST by NorseWood
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To: jmstein7
jm, I view this as the dagger aimed at the heart of America. The family is the basic block of a civil society. Destroy that, and...
26 posted on 02/20/2004 2:16:28 AM PST by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)... the 00's? The Decade of Lunatics...)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
27 posted on 02/20/2004 3:05:50 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: puroresu
Your argument is sound (Republicans cede ground at each leftist issue) but I would like to point out one item that even you and most of us have already ceded in this current situation.

We should never say or write "gay marriage." We should always use the phrase "so-called gay marriage."

When we say "gay marriage" we have put the discussion in the realm of possibility.

Conservatives always allow the leftist/progressives to define our language and we must train ourselves away from this.

Suppose 'homosexual' had not been virtually expunged from speech, "Homosexual" and "marriage" really are hard on the ears, but "gay marriage" sounds neutral (to our brain's language-processing center.)

28 posted on 02/20/2004 4:44:10 AM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: jmstein7
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29 posted on 02/20/2004 7:27:16 AM PST by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: jmstein7; farmfriend; speedy; Brilliant; Blood of Tyrants; Cicero; cripplecreek; Lady Eileen; ...
Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats - Rush Limbaugh

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, let me set this up by saying that many of you I know are beside yourselves. You cannot believe what is happening to our culture; you cannot believe what's happening to the country; you can't believe that the law can be so wantonly violated and nobody stand up and do anything about it. This is a political movement that's taking place, this is a political issue, it's not a civil rights issue, it's not a legal issue, well, it's a legal issue but that's not the predominant manner in which it's being played out. It's being played out as a political issue.

Now, one thing that conservatives and Republicans know is just leave this alone and the Democrats will implode themselves on it. They will destroy themselves on this. Let me give you some numbers. California. Everybody has this impression of California, it's all liberal, there may be one or two conservatives for every 100 people out there, they are fringe, wacko conspiracy nuts so you can't count 'em, that whole state is gone; it's gone totally to the left. It's not true. It's totally not true.

Now, it is true that the Republican registration in California is 34%, but there was a ballot initiative recently, within the last two to three years. And the ballot initiative proposed making gay marriage illegal. It did so by stating that marriage will be that and continue to be that, an institution entered into by a man and a woman. This gay marriage ban voted on by the public in a ballot initiative, not the California legislature, won with 61% of the vote in a state with 34% Republican registration. This ballot initiative carried 52 of 58 counties.

It lost in San Francisco and Yolo County, which is where the People's Republic of Davis is. Davis is dangerously close to Sacramento. It's where the University of California Davis is. Most of the people there wear Birkenstocks and they drive bicycles all day and they shop for vegetables at the commune. I mean, its own little people's republic, and San Francisco is what it is, in those two counties the gay marriage ban was defeated, but in 52 of the 58 counties it passed. Even in San Francisco the gay marriage ban got one-third of the vote which is a lot in San Francisco. In the year 2000 presidential race, George Bush got 13% of the vote in San Francisco. The gay marriage ban got about a third of the vote. This issue is death for the Democrats, and particularly among minority voters, black and Hispanics and particularly when you subdivide the black and Hispanic voters in California into churchgoers, it really is a losing issue for the Democrats.

Now, the California state agency that records marriages said yesterday that forms that have been altered, which San Francisco has done on its homosexual marriage licenses, will not be registered. California has a standard application form for marriage licenses, and if it has been altered in any way, then it will not be registered and recorded. It will be sent back to the county of origin. These are the words of Nicole Evans, who is a spokeswoman for Kim Belshe, the California Health and Human Services secretary. "More than 2600 homosexual couples who have been quote, unquote, married since last week with the help of San Francisco's city and county officials have been crossing out 'groom and bride' as printed on the standard application and writing in phrases such as 'applicant number 1' and 'applicant number 2' or they've been writing in 'spouses for life.'" They are altering the form, they are invalidating the form and thus making the form illegal, every one of them. None of these forms will be accepted. This is all symbolic which makes it even worse for the Democrats. This issue is to the Democrats what Howard Dean was to the Democrats. Howard Dean had to be taken out because Howard Dean is an unapologetic liberal, and he is exactly what these people do not want to be known as. This issue of gay marriage, the Democrats themselves are going to have to take this out, because they cannot, they cannot allow for their party to be defined by this kind of issue or behavior.

Now, the fact of the matter is, if there were no opposition and if left to their own devices, the liberals wouldn't care about this at all. Whatever these people wanted, they would do. They want to keep them happy, keep them in the camp and they don't see anything wrong with it anyway, most liberals don't. I'm talking about liberal leaders. However, on this they're going to have to step in, and they have begun to do so. Peter Schrag is a former editorial page editor of the Sacramento Bee. I am intimately familiar with the Sacramento Bee, and I am very much familiar, I've never met him, but I know Schrag. Schrag is now a columnist, and he lives in Davis, land of Birkenstocks, bicycles, and community vegetables.

He is very worried about the gay marriage issue's impact on Democrats, even in northern California, he writes. "The gay marriage issue is already in play, thanks in part to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, and thanks in part to Gavin Newsom, the new mayor of San Francisco who in one of his first major acts of monumental political stupidity successfully urged city officials to grant licenses for the gay unions that Californians had voted overwhelmingly to forbid. Just when Bush's support and his poll standings are shrinking here comes San Francisco's city-county sanctioned gay marriages almost certain to be declared invalid anyway to rouse Bush's base" These are the words of Mr. Schrag, well known liberal columnist in Sacramento. Bill Clinton, he writes, "Bill Clinton learned painfully that wading into the gay front of the culture wars in his first days in office was not a good way to begin. Maybe Newsom has no wider political ambitions but just as Bush fearing a weakening political base is working overtime to inflame the cultural right couldn't Newsom have done his fellow Democrats a favor and waited a year before adding fuel to the fire?"

See what I mean, just wait a year, do this when there's no election year, do it when nobody cares, do it when nobody will stop it, they want it done they just don't want it done when it will hurt them, they don't want people to know who they really are it's a common behavioral trait of liberals and it's almost mandatory that they camouflage and mask who they really are. In addition to this from the San Jose Mercury News: “The biggest surprise of the day came from U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer seeking her third term this fall, long a champion of gay rights who publicly stated she does not believe in changing state law to allow for the recognition of same-sex marriage.” So here she is, long a supporter of gay rights, not just supporter, a champion, and all of the sudden it's her election year, and she comes out against this, and she from San Francisco. "Her announcement, which came after two Republican opponents challenged her on the issue, was a blow to some of her longtime gay and lesbian supporters, demonstrated the acute political sensitivity of same-sex marriage in an election year.

"Repercussions did not end there. Democratic representative Barney [My Boy Lollipop] Frank, leader of the gay rights issues since his election was the first openly gay member of Congress criticized San Francisco officials not for what they're doing, but for poor timing. He says the backlash probably would help anti-gay marriage forces pass a federal constitutional ban and ones in individual states including his own states where same sex marriages are slated to begin in May. Barney Frank, a supporter of gay marriage, said he had warned San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom about this."

It's just an issue of bad timing, don't you see, folks. Nobody is doing anything wrong, it's just when they're doing it that's providing problems, causing problems. And Santa Cruz County's most liberal supervisor, Democrat Mardi Wormhoudt, has been the target of an aggressive lobbying effort to recognize gay marriage in the county in recent days even though it's not the supervisor's decision to make. Richard Bedal, Santa Cruz County's elected registrar and tax collector, said Wednesday that wasn't going to happen... now. And as I say, Barney Frank, not tossing any rice here as these people come out of city hall, he's not celebrating these marriages, he's upset at the timing. He further said that the San Francisco decision to challenge state law and grant these marriage licenses to same-sex couples could damage efforts by gay rights advocates to defend the Massachusetts court decision legalizing gay marriage. He said, "I was sorry to see the San Francisco thing go forward. If we go forward in Massachusetts and get same-sex marriage on the books it's going to be binding and incontestable. But this threatens it." Frank said San Francisco's move promotes the notion that unpopular laws could be broken or ignored. Well, by liberals they can. It's happening, Barney. Liberals can break laws. Liberals can violate laws. Liberals can ignore laws. But look who it is moving in trying to stop all this.

Meanwhile, in Chicago Mayor Daley said Wednesday he would have no problem with county clerk David Orr issuing marriage licenses to gay couples and Orr said he's open to a San Francisco style protest if a consensus could be built. Now, Mayor Daley, go for it. I mean let's see this happening in Chicago now. All you liberal Democrat mayors, follow suit. Do what you really want to do, be who you really are. That's what the country needs to see, you want a straight up and down fair vote on what you really believe, let's see it.

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Here's the article if full....I THOUGHT I remembered Rush saying more on this (than what was posted)....

Here is the original link to the article at Rush's site: Gay Marriage Issue Death for Democrats

FReegards,

- ConservativeStLouisGuy
30 posted on 02/20/2004 7:37:21 AM PST by ConservativeStLouisGuy (transplanted St Louisan living in Canada, eh!)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
Thanks for the post.Nobody knows how to cover stuff like this like Rush does. BTTT!!!!!!
31 posted on 02/20/2004 7:42:43 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
---And Santa Cruz County's most liberal supervisor, Democrat Mardi Wormhoudt, has been the target of an aggressive lobbying effort to recognize gay marriage in the county in recent days even though it's not the supervisor's decision to make. Richard Bedal, Santa Cruz County's elected registrar and tax collector, said Wednesday that wasn't going to happen... now. ---

I was wondering what was up with Santa Cruz. Generally the left in Santa Cruz is for anything that slides our society further into decay. I think this place holds the per capita record for young women adorned with tattoos and body metal. Anything bizarre is readily accepted.
32 posted on 02/20/2004 8:42:40 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
Rush is talking about this now.
33 posted on 02/20/2004 9:15:34 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Brilliant
If it's so unpopular, then why are the politicians afraid to touch it?

Because they're afraid it will turn the media against them.

However, "the politicians" are touching it, so your premise is off to begin with.

34 posted on 02/20/2004 9:22:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: jmstein7
Rush is fired up about this...He said the Democrat leaders are running away from this...but their followers aren't listening.
35 posted on 02/20/2004 9:25:14 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
Rush said who stands to get hurt by this...the Democrats...The Democrat leaders are always trying to camouflage themselves...But their voters don't want to wait any longer...so the Democrat voters are now revealing to America what the Democrats are all about.
36 posted on 02/20/2004 9:32:40 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: maica
You're right! We too frequently allow the left to define our terminology.
37 posted on 02/20/2004 12:28:37 PM PST by puroresu
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To: r9etb
They are only touching it with a 20 foot pole. I think this issue is ultimately going to be a loser. The libs will have their way, and the Republicans will let them.
38 posted on 02/20/2004 2:11:47 PM PST by Brilliant
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