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We Never Said Iraq Was Imminent Threat - CIA Chief
The Scotsman ^ | Thursday, 5th February 2004

Posted on 02/05/2004 8:46:13 AM PST by demlosers

CIA Director George Tenet said today that US analysts never claimed before the war that Iraq posed an imminent threat.

In his first public defence of pre-war intelligence, Tenet said analysts had varying opinions on the state of Iraq’s chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programmes.

Those differences were spelled out in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate given to the White House that summarised intelligence on Iraq’s weapons programmes.

Analysts “painted an objective assessment for our policy makers of a brutal dictator who was continuing his efforts to deceive and build programmes that might constantly surprise us and threaten our interests, “ he said in a speech at Washington’s Georgetown University.

“No one told us what to say or how to say it,” he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cia; georgetenet; imminentthreat; iraq; nie; prewarintelligence; tenet; wmd
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To: Michael81Dus
The article you linked has no quote from Blair's mouth.

Snip...

Kelly was outed last July as the source behind an explosive report by BBC correspondent Andrew Gilligan.

Gilligan reported that the government included in a September 2002 dossier on Iraq's weapons the claim that some weapons of mass destruction could be deployed within 45 minutes of an order to do so, knowing it to be wrong.

Again, the press[BBC] and Brit opposition leaders appear to mislead.

41 posted on 02/05/2004 10:14:47 AM PST by demlosers (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: demlosers
Trumped up charges? From the BBC? NOOOOOOOO!
42 posted on 02/05/2004 10:19:28 AM PST by jayef
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To: Michael81Dus
Not only did Blair not say it, Bush in his adress didn't either.
Rather he said that we need to act BEFORE it becomes an imminent threat.
The media will take anything out of context to their own advantage. They must have been to the Goebbels School of Propaganda. Shovel enough against the wall, something will stick?
44 posted on 02/05/2004 10:44:45 AM PST by americanbychoice
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To: hedgie
Thanks for reminding the many. This says the threat was not imminent. It also says we can't afford to wait until it is.
45 posted on 02/05/2004 10:44:54 AM PST by stylin19a (Is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: demlosers
There is only one known Iraqi listed as a prisoner at Gitmo. Even the UK has nine and Kuwait has 12. The biggest group were saudis with 160. Doesn't look like the Iraqis were encouraged to join Al-Qaeda. The real imminent threat comes from the Saudis and Yemenis. Of course this information was only released after the invasion.
46 posted on 02/05/2004 11:07:55 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: alnick
The claim that the president declared Iraq an imminent threat to justify the war is an obvious lie.

Then what was Powell's speech before the UN Security Council all about?

Powell said, "We also have satellite photos that indicate that banned materials have recently been moved from a number of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction facilities."

"At this biological weapons-related facility on November 25th, just two days before inspections resumed, this truck caravan appeared -- something we almost never see at this facility and we monitor it carefully and regularly."

"Iraq declared 8500 liters of anthrax. But UNSCOM estimates that Saddam Hussein could have produced 25,000 liters."

"One of the most worrisome things that emerges from the thick intelligence file we have on Iraq's biological weapons is the existence of mobile production facilities used to make biological agents."

"Second, as with biological weapons, Saddam Hussein has never accounted for vast amounts of chemical weaponry: 550 artillery shells with mustard, 30,000 empty munitions and enough precursors to increase his stockpile to as much as 500 tons of chemical agents."

"If we consider just one category of missing weaponry, 6500 bombs from the Iran-Iraq War, UNMOVIC says the amount of chemical agent in them would be on the order of a thousand tons."

"We know that Iraq has embedded key portions of its illicit chemical weapons infrastructure within its legitimate civilian industry. To all outward appearances, even to experts, the infrastructure looks like an ordinary civilian operation. Illicit and legitimate production can go on simultaneously or on a dime. This dual-use infrastructure can turn from clandestine to commercial and then back again."

"Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan."

"There is ample evidence that Iraq has dedicated much effort to developing and testing spray devices that could be adapted for UAVs."

All of this was asserted before the UN and the world, not as speculation, but as fact with physical evidence to support it.

Yet, in support of Bush and the war, we're being asked to believe in varying degrees, the UN, Bill Clinton, Senate and House Democrats, Iraqi defectors and lastly the claims of Saddam Hussein himself, for the existence of these WMDs.

Last time I checked, all of these people were known liars then and they're known liars now. If I didn't believe anything they said then, why on earth would I believe anything they say now?

Who's quotes are going to be trotted out next to support Bush? Madeline Albright? Janet Reno? Hillary?!

47 posted on 02/05/2004 11:41:29 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: jayef
I hear what you're saying -- and I understand Dubya said we should act BEFORE Iraq represents an imminent threat.

I know I'm not expressing myself well, what I'm trying to say is, we're letting the Dems draw us (the Administration) into a debate rehashing (parsing) the actual level of threat.

What we ought to be focusing on is not the accuracy of the intel, nor WMD, nor anything else.

We need to focus on simple things rather than engaging in this endless parsimonious debate, Iraq represented a DANGER to the U.S. and our interests, we acted with full Congressional authorization, Saddam is out of power. End of story, no more debate.

Tell the Dems to shove it -- quit trying to define what is is.

48 posted on 02/05/2004 11:52:12 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: All
FReepers, one and all...please email or call Ms. Katherine Pfleger and hammer her for lying about the use of the "imminent threat" LIE as supposedly used by President Bush for going to war. email or call her at Katherine Pfleger or 206-464-2772. The all conveniently leave the word 'BEFORE' out when referring to Sadamm becoming an imminent threat.
49 posted on 02/05/2004 1:10:09 PM PST by harpu
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To: americanbychoice; demlosers; jayef
Oh, I didn´t say that Bush had said it. The 45 minutes claim was made so public in the press (it was mentioned in a government paper) that I thought it was true. A google-search only brought me to thousands of sites where it was stated that Blair had claimed it, but these sites all are wrong. Now I know that it wasn´t Blair who said it, but a government source, which Blair only referred to. He never made this 45 minutes claim by his own. It´s truly amazing which power media has.
50 posted on 02/05/2004 1:27:06 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
correct. I only brought up Bush because in the German Paper all you read was "Lies, Lies by Bush"
It is truly amazing the power of the media, even my mother always says: I saw it on television, therefore it must be true".
Oh well...................
51 posted on 02/05/2004 1:32:18 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: woofie
Why would we have waited 12 years for Iraq to comply with the terms of the ceasefire agreement if we thought the threat was imminent. Last time I checked the ceasefire agreement said disarm NOW or else.

Imminent is relative. Patience ran out.
52 posted on 02/05/2004 1:33:41 PM PST by snooker
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To: americanbychoice
I´m pretty sure that not parties or candiates decide elections and not their work being judged by the voters. It´s the media which creates and destroys images of leaders. Sometimes, one can achieve victories against the media, but in the most cases the 4th power wins (add them to Legislative, Executive and Judicial branch). :-( My personal opinion is that we need more conservatives (true conservatives and not left-leaning pseudo conservatives) in the media. Those who write articles, who comment TV reports make opinions.
53 posted on 02/05/2004 1:38:11 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: skip2myloo
Bill Frist called Iraq a "grave threat" in a 3/7/03 Senate speech.
54 posted on 02/05/2004 1:41:16 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: Michael81Dus
Like Mark Steyn?
He is excellent
55 posted on 02/05/2004 1:41:40 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: Michael81Dus; demlosers
I don't think Blair actually said it. It was included along with lots of other things in the intelligence dossier presented to the House of Commons as a rationale for pre-emptive war with Iraq.
56 posted on 02/05/2004 1:47:50 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: americanbychoice
I haven´t read too much from him (you know, I hate reading ;-)), but he´s writing for several papers, isn´t he?
57 posted on 02/05/2004 1:50:12 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Exactly! But that´s not how the media presented it to the public.
58 posted on 02/05/2004 1:51:02 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: demlosers
"Analysts “painted an objective assessment for our policy makers of a brutal dictator who was continuing his efforts to deceive and build programmes that might constantly surprise us and threaten our interests,"

I would INTERPRET that to constitute a clear and imminent danger to us and the rest of the world, given Saddam's reputation and past behaviour.

As a Democratic appointee, and, presumably a Democrat, I wouldn't expect Tennet to help Bush out in any way here. Bush should have trashed this guy when he was elected.
59 posted on 02/05/2004 1:54:09 PM PST by ZULU (GOD BLESS SENATOR JOE MCCARTHY!!!)
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To: skip2myloo; Huck; JohnGalt
"What we must not do in the face of a mortal threat is give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness.' -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Aug. 29, 2002, speaking to veterans of the Korean War in San Antonio, Texas.

"We do know that he (Saddam) has been actively and persistently pursuing nuclear weapons for more than 20 years. But we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons.' -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Sept. 18, 2002, before House Armed Services Committee.

"There are a number of terrorist states pursuing weapons of mass destruction ... but no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq.' -- Rumsfeld, Sept. 19, 2002, Senate Armed Services Committee.

"On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency.' -- Bush, Oct. 2, 2002, after reaching agreement with House leaders on Iraq resolution.

"The danger is already significant and it only grows worse with time. If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?' -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati.

"The gravity of this moment is matched by the gravity of the threat that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction pose to the world. Let me now turn to those deadly weapons programs and describe why they are real and present dangers to the region and to the world.' -- Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, at United Nations.

"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations.' -- Bush, March 16, 2003, news conference after Azores summit with Spanish, British and Portuguese leaders.

60 posted on 02/06/2004 8:56:04 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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