Posted on 01/20/2004 2:15:21 PM PST by cpforlife.org
What a difference a year makes.
The map above has been updated to reflect the number of children murdered by surgical abortion in this past year, about 1.4 million in the U.S., roughly half the population of Mississippi, shaded in red. When added to the 17 states in black, this equals a population of 44,000,000. It's the sickening truth America,
44 MILLION innocent babies have been dismembered by surgical abortion since Roe v Wade on January 22, 1973.
The war on Terrorism:
To try to get some additional perspective on this number, lets look at the war on terrorism. Some 3,000 people died in the horrific attacks of 9-11-01. The number of U.S. service members who have died in Iraq since the war began last March of 2003 reached 500 in the last several days. Also earlier this month we suffered the 100th fatality in the U.S. military's two-year Afghan campaign. So we as a nation have lost some 3,600 people from the attacks of 9-11-01, AND all combat on the war on terror in the last 27 months. That is less than ONE DAY of killing for the abortionists.
What if every day, for the last two years, 3,600 Americans died at the hands of terrorists? Imagine if 2,600 service men and women were brought home in boxes every day; and terrorists butchered another 1,000 civilians here at home—every day. What would that do to our nation—mentally, emotionally, and spiritually?
Unimaginable.
From an unborn person’s perspective things are worse, much worse. Every day for the last 31 years, about 4,000 Americans HAVE died at the hands of terrorists!
About one out every fourth pregnancy in America is ended by abortion.
Abortionists are the most lethal and brutal terrorists in the world. Their kill rate is over 99%, far deadlier than any of Saddam’s henchmen. The pain abortionists inflict on unborn children older than 16-20 weeks is far more excruciating than the most vicious forms of torture Uday and Qusay ever used on their poor victims.
The last 31 years of “legalized” abortion has severely damaged this nation’s sense of basic right and wrong. As the CULTure of death metastasizes, nearly every imaginable attack against the Family and of innocent life has come to pass or is being seriously discussed.
Abortion is a very depressing subject, one we would prefer not to think about. But avoiding the topic and wishing it would go away is as effective as on any other deadly condition.
BUT WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP IT?
CLICK THIS LINK TO A LIST OF 56 DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO. THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE LIST FOR EVERYONE.
Beyond that there is only one thing (earthly speaking) that will end this culture of death. Comprehensive education, on the sanctity of life before birth, beginning in pre-K and lasting through high school. This will have to be done in order to have a sufficient populace who votes Pro-Life. There simply is NO other way to get the needed votes.
Reread my posts if your memory fails you.
I did not detect that inference in that post. However, it is manifestly evident in your most current post. In fact, I consider your post to be the authoritative position on this issue and the final chapter in this discussion.
"Because we cannot allow fed, state, or local governments to have the power to prohibit 'sinful' behaviors. No matter how morally repugnant a majority may find certain acts or objects..." tpaine
Your "logic" could have been, and probably was, used to defend slavery. Congratulations, tpaine. You've got the mind and soul of both a slave owner AND an abortionist.
And why do you want to keep bringing up abortion as a sin? I want to outlaw abortion for the same reason it WAS outlawed prior to Roe in most states. The states did not outlaw it because it was a sin, now did they tpaine?
Because we cannot allow fed, state, or local governments to have the power to prohibit 'sinful' behaviors.
No matter how morally repugnant a majority may find certain acts or objects, we must observe our bill of rights in regulating them, in a reasonable fashion.
Criminalizing early term abortion as murder is an unreasonable prohibition; -- states have no such power..
Your "logic" could have been, and probably was, used to defend slavery.
Your inability to reply in a rational fashion is noted. Take your nasty little comments to the back room.
Congratulations, tpaine. You've got the mind and soul of both a slave owner AND an abortionist.
The lack of christian piety in your own 'soul' is evident.. Thanks for outing yourself.
And why do you want to keep bringing up abortion as a sin? I want to outlaw abortion for the same reason it WAS outlawed prior to Roe in most states. The states did not outlaw it because it was a sin, now did they tpaine?
Why else? You have religious convictions about the soul being created at conception. Many of your peers differ. Its a moral dilemma.
Our government is not enpowered to make law respecting the precepts of specific religions, much less prosecute as murder the moral dilemma of early term abortion.
Learn to live with that constitutional fact.. It's the american way.
Exactly my point. The right to life is the sine qua non of all other rights, including the right to carry. If someone tried to chop you up you would be justified in putting a bullet through his brain. Unfortunately, the preborn are not big enough or strong enough to grip a firearm to defend themselves against attack.
The pre-born are our peers. "...All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are the right to life..."
Cordially,
I believe most people, even those who favor legalized abortion, define murder as the deliberate taking of human life without just cause.
The major area of disagreement is over what constitutes just cause. For example, I don't accept the proposition that inconvenience or financial circumstances are just causes for killing a fetus, which is simply a unique human being in the early stages of life, but some on this thread would argue that they are.
Many, if not most, principled objections to legaling abortion are not based on the fetus possessing a soul, although my personal belief is that it does. The primary objection is that abortion deliberately kills a living human being without just cause, which is the definition of murder by virtually all civilized people without regard to religious belief.
It is undeniable truth that the fetus is a living human being, check the unique DNA signature. It is also undeniable that the fetus is alive from the moment of conception, if not it couldn't multiply cells and grow in size and complexity. It is also a unique organism, it doesn't share or exchange blood or other tissue with the mother. It should be, and is, obvious to any reasonable person without an agenda which neccessitates dehumanizing the fetus that it is nothing less than a living human being, although I can agree there is no way to prove the presense of a soul either in an adult human of a fetal stage human.
The act of deliberately killing an unborn human being without just cause meets the historical definition of murder, whether or not the federal judiciary defines it as such.
Exactly my point. The right to life is the sine qua non of all other rights, including the right to carry.
The mothers right to life should be your constitutional concern, -- and her preborn fetus is her concern..
Unfortunately, the preborn are not big enough or strong enough to grip a firearm to defend themselves against attack. The pre-born are our peers.
Once they attain viablity, no one argues that concept.. Until then, we reasonably protect primarily the mothers rights..
Objection 1. It would seem that a man cannot hate the truth. For good, true, and being are convertible. But a man cannot hate good. Neither, therefore, can he hate the truth.
Objection 2. Further, "All men have a natural desire for knowledge," as stated in the beginning of the Metaphysics i, 1. But knowledge is only of truth. Therefore truth is naturally desired and loved. But that which is in a thing naturally, is always in it. Therefore no man can hate the truth.
Objection 3. Further, the Philosopher says (Rhet. ii, 4) that "men love those who are straightforward." But there can be no other motive for this save truth. Therefore man loves the truth naturally. Therefore he cannot hate it.
On the contrary, The Apostle says (Gal. 4:16): "Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?" [St. Thomas quotes the passage, probably from memory, as though it were an assertion: "I am become," etc.]
I answer that, Good, true and being are the same in reality, but differ as considered by reason. For good is considered in the light of something desirable, while being and true are not so considered: because good is "what all things seek." Wherefore good, as such, cannot be the object of hatred, neither in general nor in particular. Being and truth in general cannot be the object of hatred: because disagreement is the cause of hatred, and agreement is the cause of love; while being and truth are common to all things. But nothing hinders some particular being or some particular truth being an object of hatred, in so far as it is considered as hurtful and repugnant; since hurtfulness and repugnance are not incompatible with the notion of being and truth, as they are with the notion of good.
Now it may happen in three ways that some particular truth is repugnant or hurtful to the good we love. First, according as truth is in things as in its cause and origin. And thus man sometimes hates a particular truth, when he wishes that what is true were not true. Secondly, according as truth is in man's knowledge, which hinders him from gaining the object loved: such is the case of those who wish not to know the truth of faith, that they may sin freely; in whose person it is said (Job 21:14): "We desire not the knowledge of Thy ways." Thirdly, a particular truth is hated, as being repugnant, inasmuch as it is in the intellect of another man: as, for instance, when a man wishes to remain hidden in his sin, he hates that anyone should know the truth about his sin. In this respect, Augustine says (Confess. x, 23) that men "love truth when it enlightens, they hate it when it reproves."
This suffices for the Reply to the First Objection.
Reply to Objection 2. The knowledge of truth is lovable in itself: hence Augustine says that men love it when it enlightens. But accidentally, the knowledge of truth may become hateful, in so far as it hinders one from accomplishing one's desire.
Reply to Objection 3. The reason why we love those who are straightforward is that they make known the truth, and the knowledge of the truth, considered in itself, is a desirable thing.
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That simply isn't true, and I can't help but believe you know it isn't. Every cell in the mother's body carries her unique DNA signature, and if the fetus was part of her it's DNA would be identical. It isn't, which proves beyond question that the fetus is a separate individual human being which shares no blood or other tissue with the mother. Nourishment passes from the mother's blood into the baby's blood, and waste passes from the baby's blood into the mothers. But there is a natural barrier which prevents the exchange of blood or other tissue between mother and baby. If you doubt me ask your doctor, that information isn't kept hidden from the unwashed masses you know. In fact, I think you know it as well as anyone, but it doesn't fit well with your agenda.
I don't care to argue with people who refuse to admit the validity of proven facts for reasons related to their own biases and political persuasion. No amount of truth will change a closed mind unless it's owner chooses to allow it, so believe what you want despite the facts that disprove those beliefs. You have the corrupted law of the land in your corner to support your twisted ideas with it's police power, and those of us who recognize the truth will continue the effort to expose the evil lies of the multi-billion dollar abortion industry and the Naziesque holocaust it has brought to America.
Our side has produced a mountain of info, and I've answered your questions. Why can't you answer just one, in #63?
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