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1 posted on 01/19/2004 11:26:30 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; Constitution Day; mykdsmom; 100%FEDUP; ...
Thank you Mr. Robinson. It sometimes takes guts to make a point.

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Let me or MYkdsmom or Constitution Day know if you want on or off the NCPing list or if you think you've been accidentally dropped or ....
2 posted on 01/19/2004 11:29:27 AM PST by TaxRelief (P-a-n-t-h-e-r-s, Go Panthers!)
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To: TaxRelief
Wow, he's got my vote, if I lived in North Carolina.
3 posted on 01/19/2004 11:30:19 AM PST by stevio
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To: TaxRelief
{head in hands}
4 posted on 01/19/2004 11:30:34 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: TaxRelief; Constitution Day; Howlin; azhenfud
Now this is a man I would support as a Senatorial candidate
5 posted on 01/19/2004 11:31:16 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: TaxRelief
Link to letter.

Establishment Clause Is Misunderstood

Letter to the Editor of the Wall Street Journal.

In his March 27 "Rule of Law" column "Supreme Court Tackles School Prayer at Football Games," law professor Douglas Kmiec argues that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment has been given such an expansive reading by the Supreme Court that it now is seen to be in conflict with the Free Exercise and Free Speech clauses of the same amendment: In order to prevent an establishment of religion, we must restrict the speech of citizens (such as prayers delivered at high school graduations and, perhaps, football games as well). Prof. Kmiec thinks this reading of the First Amendment is wrong, and so do I.

But he goes on to demonstrate that his understanding (or misunderstanding) of the meaning of the First Amendment is fundamentally the same as that which led the court to its current position. He writes, "If speech advancing religion is attributable to the government, the Establishment Clause requires the government to stop." It is difficult to imagine an opinion further removed from the original meaning of the First Amendment, which is why the court finds it challenging if not impossible to reconcile the Establishment Clause with Free Exercise and Free Speech.

First is the massive fact that the First Amendment was meant to place restrictions on the actions of Congress only, not states, counties or cities. Thus, on its face, it does not require local governments to stop advancing religion. But even if one accepts the dubious doctrine of incorporation, Prof. Kmiec's opinion is unsubstantiated.

Under pressure from groups such as the ACLU, the courts have decided that government, at all levels, must remain neutral toward religion and "irreligion." In this, the ACLU would agree with Prof. Kmiec's assertion that government must not advance religion at all. But the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was never intended to prohibit government from advancing religion and morality. On the contrary, the men who framed and ratified the Constitution, as well as the Bill of Rights, believed only a moral people capable of self-restraint can be free, and thus they thought it essential that government take an active role in promoting the moral character of the American people.

For example, the first Congress (which adopted the First Amendment) passed the Northwest Ordinance, which stated, "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged." And George Washington, in his first speech as president, appealed to the "Almighty Being who rules the universe" for the success of the government of the United States.

The Establishment Clause was meant to do one thing: prevent the establishment of an official religion, so that sectarian differences could be taken out of the political realm, thus securing the possibility of a free government that operates by majority rule, while protecting minority rights. In principle the Establishment Clause does no more than the Article VI prohibition of religious tests for national office.

If the "laws of nature and of nature's God" are the source of our rights, then public recognition of God, religion and morality is in the service of the rights of all men, including atheists. If the purpose of government is to "secure these rights," then promotion of such recognition is the duty of government.

6 posted on 01/19/2004 11:34:48 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: TaxRelief
Pretty shrewd Vernon. $2000 is a pretty cheap price to pay for all the publicity this will garner.

MKM

10 posted on 01/19/2004 11:45:09 AM PST by mykdsmom (You will never appreciate the full savagery of the left until you get in their way - Ann C.)
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Eze 20:33 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze020.html#33link

Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

The Battle Hymn of the Republic

12 posted on 01/19/2004 11:56:36 AM PST by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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bump
13 posted on 01/19/2004 11:59:10 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: TaxRelief
Good for him.
16 posted on 01/19/2004 12:09:08 PM PST by Hacksaw (theocratic Confederate flag waving loyalty oath supporter)
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Winston-Salem official places Ten Commandments at city hall [Vernon Robinson - Black Conservative]

Some in the crowd report Mr. Robinson ( no relation to the famous Mrs. Robinson ) was seen with both hands outstretched and what appeared to be his middle fingers pointed up wards while yelling "Hey ACLU, KISS MY A**! Just try and take this one!"

18 posted on 01/19/2004 12:14:41 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: TaxRelief
We need Vernon Robinson in Congress.
26 posted on 01/19/2004 12:26:00 PM PST by Kuksool
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Robinson said he had no permit or other authorization to place the monument on public property.

If there's anything more tiresome than a showboater, it's an unoriginal showboater.

Hey, Vern: it's been done, OK? And if your role model is that fool in Alabama, you raise real concerns about yourself.

The winner of the North Carolina 5th Congressional District will be decided in the GOP primary. There are better candidates, and better potential Representatives, than Mr. Robinson.

63 posted on 01/19/2004 1:30:54 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (How 'bout those CAROLINA PANTHERS!)
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I have met Veron Robinson on more than one occassion. I've lived in Winston Salem all my life (except for 7 years in Seattle). He's a man who likes to make a "splash". He's charismatic and commanding in a room, standing about 6'4" and he's not entirely skinny either.

I have to applaud this move! It'll play well in this tobacco & banking town of 180,000 people that largely remains conservative.

66 posted on 01/19/2004 1:41:29 PM PST by RightlySo (Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth; socialism is the equal distribution of poverty.)
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"Robinson said he had no permit or other authorization to place the monument on public property."

Gosh, can we all just start posting whatever we want on public property now? How about a monument with my favorite Beatles' lyrics, or one with some quotes from the Koran, and maybe just some pictures of nekkid ladies? I mean, what if I feel this higher calling to see nekkid ladies on the walls when I go to city hall? Those types of pictures offend you? Well, tough luck.

This guy is obviously a publicity-seeking dolt.
73 posted on 01/19/2004 1:56:02 PM PST by kegler4
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To: TaxRelief
Robinson said he had no permit or other authorization to place the monument on public property.

1. If I were in his area, I'd support Robinson for any office.

2. And I'd also say "here is my $100 contribution...buy a patch of ground across the
street, rent/buy a billboard...but don't try to set a precedent that will eventually
require me to look at a tablet of Shari'a Law in a state-sponsored space!".
81 posted on 01/19/2004 2:45:07 PM PST by VOA
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Way to go! I hope more judges will follow suit.
92 posted on 01/19/2004 3:20:12 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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Yippee!
95 posted on 01/19/2004 3:27:43 PM PST by petercooper (DEAN = Democrats Experiencing Another Nightmare)
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Way to go Vernon. A fitting gift on MLK's birthday. :-}
102 posted on 01/19/2004 3:46:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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WOW! What a great pre-election stunt! Maybe he's sincere, maybe not, but this is going to be the most efficient $2000 spent on an election campaign in years.
107 posted on 01/19/2004 4:03:27 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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Let's call it what it is, a "shakedown". This guy is more like Jesse Jackson than Jesse Helms.
108 posted on 01/19/2004 4:07:06 PM PST by jcwhat
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