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New Read on 'Rings,' Double Standard on Slurs (Lord of the Rings is Racist)
Fox News ^ | Dec. 29, 2003 | Scott Norvell

Posted on 12/29/2003 10:17:03 AM PST by MorningCoffee

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Momaw Nadon
Eowyn, quite possibly my favorite character of all-time.
121 posted on 12/30/2003 12:47:57 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm
Is it just me, of did that Orc "general" at the battle of Minis Tirith look JUST LIKE "Sloth" from "The Goonies" (starring Samwise Gamgee)


122 posted on 12/30/2003 1:01:30 PM PST by The G Man (Wesley Clark is just Howard Dean in combat boots)
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To: Rummyfan
Someone complained about the Clones being Mexican and how this was racist. But it was revealed that the actor playing Bobo Fett (the Elder) is SAMOAN.

Exactly! The first time I saw Star Wars back in the 70s, when the Storm Troopers blew open the door and started pouring into Leia's ship, I stood up and shouted, "How can they stereotype Samoans like that?!"

123 posted on 12/30/2003 1:16:04 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: MrConfettiMan
The Eowyn love interest was definately in the books.... though underplayed in Tolkien's style of fairly formal dialogue.

Aragorn's rejection of Eowyn was why she wanted to die in battle. She did not see anything left for her in life.
124 posted on 12/30/2003 1:20:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Joe_October
To choose mortality or immortality is a choice the half-elven, the offspring of Elrond, have. Elrond chose immortality. His children have the same choice.

What took place in the movie, that Arwen had to choose, is straight out of the book... Also in the book and oft forgotten is that Elrond would not allow her to give up her immortality and stay for anything less than Aragorn as King. Aragorn was told he could not have her unless he took that road.

Eowyn marries Faramir in the story.... and we will see that in the extended edition.
125 posted on 12/30/2003 1:31:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Rummyfan
I thought he was Maori.
126 posted on 12/30/2003 1:38:14 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: MorningCoffee
Some residents of Glenview said that because the firehouse is a public building, the decorations improperly cross the line between church and state.

It really irks me when Americans make ignorant comments like this in regard to the First Amendment.

127 posted on 12/30/2003 1:48:49 PM PST by usadave
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To: The G Man
Say no more! These films are the most vile pieces of prejudiced filth I have ever seen!
128 posted on 12/30/2003 1:50:28 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: The G Man
Is it just me, of did that Orc "general" at the battle of Minis Tirith look JUST LIKE "Sloth" from "The Goonies" (starring Samwise Gamgee)

Hit the nail on the head my friend. Dead ringer. I was VERY confused.

129 posted on 12/30/2003 2:47:03 PM PST by Naspino (Exodus 22: 28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
.... though underplayed in Tolkien's style of fairly formal dialogue.

Ah, then that must have been why I forgot about it. ;-)

HOTDog, do you have any idea if The Mouth of Sauron scene outside the Black Gate is going to be in the extended version?

130 posted on 12/30/2003 6:31:09 PM PST by MrConfettiMan (Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?)
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To: MrConfettiMan
I have a ~feeling~ it is... Because the role was cast.

And I think there is a missing scene there between the ride up to the gate and the cut where Aragorn turns around with a bit of a tear in his eye. I think the mithril vest scene will be in there. They made such a point of taking it from Frodo in the tower scene!
131 posted on 12/30/2003 6:36:33 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MrConfettiMan
.... though underplayed in Tolkien's style of fairly formal dialogue.

Ah, then that must have been why I forgot about it. ;-)

There are lots of guys who don't recognize subtly flirting wimmin.... but other wimmin do ;~D

132 posted on 12/30/2003 6:38:30 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I had no idea you were a she. Learn somethin' new everyday. I'll have to be more careful with my language on these LOTR threads from now on. :)

BTW, I'd heard the Mouth of Sauron role had been cast, too, so I'm hoping the scene is in the exDVD.
133 posted on 12/30/2003 6:50:31 PM PST by MrConfettiMan (Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?)
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To: MrConfettiMan
No one watches their language around me! I am no flittery young thing!

Part of the Eowyn bit... from The Passing of the Grey Company

The Lady Éowyn greeted them and was glad of their coming; for no mightier men had she seen than the Dúnedain and the fair sons of Elrond; but on Aragorn most of all her eyes rested. And when they sat at supper with her, they talked together, and she heard of all that had passed since Théoden rode away, concerning which only hasty tidings had yet reached her; and when she heard of the battle in Helm’s Deep and the great slaughter of their foes, and of the charge of Théoden and his knights, then her eyes shone.

But at last she said: ‘Lords, you are weary and shall now go to your beds with such ease as can be contrived in haste. But tomorrow fairer housing shall be found for you.’

But Aragorn said: ‘Nay, lady, be not troubled for us! If we may lie here tonight and break our fast tomorrow, it will be enough. For I ride on an errand most urgent, and with the first light of morning we must go.’

She smiled on him and said: ‘Then it was kindly done, lord, to ride so many miles out of your way to bring tidings to Éowyn, and to speak with her in her exile.’

‘Indeed no man would count such a journey wasted,’ said Aragorn; ‘and yet, lady, I could not have come hither, if it were not that the road which I must take leads me to Dunharrow.’

And she answered as one that likes not what is said: “Then, lord, you are astray; for out of Harrowdale no road runs east or south; and you had best return as you came.’

‘Nay, lady,’ said he, ‘I am not astray; for I walked in this land ere you were born to grace it. There is a road out of this valley, and that road I shall take. Tomorrow I shall ride by the Paths of the Dead.’

Then she stared at him as one that is stricken, and her face blanched, and for long she spoke no more, while all sat silent....

SNIP

Then they said no more, and they ate in silence; but her eyes were ever upon Aragorn, and the others saw that she was in great torment of mind. At length they arose, and took their leave of the Lady, and thanked her for her care, and went to their rest.

But as Aragorn came to the booth where he was to lodge with Legolas and Gimli, and his companions had gone in. there came the Lady Éowyn after him and called to him. He turned and saw her as a glimmer in the night, for she was clad in white; but her eyes were on fire.

‘Aragorn,’ she said, ‘why will you go on this deadly road?’

‘Because I must,’ he said. ‘Only so can I see any hope of doing my part in the war against Sauron. I do not choose paths of peril, Éowyn. Were I to go where my heart dwells, far in the North I would now be wandering in the fair valley of Rivendell.’

For a while she was silent, as if pondering what this might mean. Then suddenly she laid her hand on his arm. ‘You are a stern lord and resolute,’ she said; ‘and thus do men win renown.’ She paused. ‘Lord.’ she said, ‘if you must go, then let me ride in your following. For I am weary of skulking in the hills, and wish to face peril and battle.’

SNIP

When the light of day was come into the sky but the sun was not yet risen above the high ridges in the East, Aragorn made ready to depart. His company was all mounted, and he was about to leap into the saddle, when the Lady Éowyn came to bid them farewell. She was clad as a Rider and girt with a sword. In her hand she bore a cup, and she set it to her lips and drank a little, wishing them good speed; and then she gave the cup to Aragorn, and he drank, and he said: ‘Farewell, Lady of Rohan! I drink to the fortunes of your House, and of you, and of all your people. Say to your brother: beyond the shadows we may meet again!’

Then it seemed to Gimli and Legolas who were nearby that she wept, and in one so stern and proud that seemed the more grievous. But she said: ‘Aragorn, wilt thou go?’

‘I will,’ he said.

‘Then wilt thou not let me ride with this company, as I have asked?’

‘I will not, lady,’ he said. ‘For that I could not grant without leave of the king and of your brother; and they will not return until tomorrow. But I count now every hour, indeed every minute. Farewell!’

Then she fell on her knees, saying: ‘I beg thee!’

‘Nay, lady,’ he said, and taking her by the hand he raised her. Then he kissed her hand, and sprang into the saddle, and rode away, and did not look back; and only those who knew him well and were near to him saw the pain that he bore.

But Éowyn stood still as a figure carven in stone, her hands clenched at her sides, and she watched them until they passed into the shadows under the black Dwimorberg, the Haunted Mountain, in which was the Gate of the Dead.

When they were lost to view, she turned, stumbling as one that is blind, and went back to her lodging. But none of her folk saw this parting, for they hid themselves in fear and would not come forth until the day was up, and the reckless strangers were gone.

Come on now.... For Tolkien, that is downright ~steamy~ stuff!

134 posted on 12/30/2003 7:10:29 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MorningCoffee
about Lloyd's scribble: just damn.
He's Grima Wormtongue.
135 posted on 12/30/2003 7:24:10 PM PST by King Prout (oh, finding your "core values" in the latest poll, are you, Mr. Dean?)
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
Gollum the Rap Song (takes a minute or two to download)

http://corvette.boise.wirestone.com/gollum/gollum.swf
136 posted on 12/30/2003 7:26:16 PM PST by TheMilkMan
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To: Joe_October
I thought the movie ending was and improvement on the book and perfect for our time. Bilbo and gang come home from saving the world and the Shire folk are blissfully unaware of what's going on and are more interested in drinking and freakishly large pumpkins. Perfect for our time.
137 posted on 12/30/2003 7:37:52 PM PST by DManA
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To: MorningCoffee
Liberal minds with nothing better to do with their time.. What a crock.
138 posted on 12/30/2003 7:38:17 PM PST by Havoc ("Alright; but, that only counts as one..")
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To: DManA
I don't know why I said Bilbo. I of course meant Frodo.
139 posted on 12/30/2003 7:40:55 PM PST by DManA
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To: MorningCoffee
I thought it was racist, too. The only ones able to withstand temptation were the pygmies.
140 posted on 12/30/2003 7:44:23 PM PST by gitmo (Who is John Galt?)
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