Dean's Yale Transcripts Are Released

Associated Press ^ | December 19, 2003 | ELIZABETH WOLFE

[Monitor]

WASHINGTON -- Some centrist Democrats may fret about front-runner Howard Dean's ability to match up to President Bush in a general election, but his college transcript sure could.

Bush, who graduated from Yale University in 1968, had a less-than-stellar record, with what the president described as "gentleman's Cs." Dean's transcript shows the political science major sailing through a slight sophomore slump to earn mostly high marks his last two years.

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The transcript shows Howard Brush Dean III with a Park Avenue address and a course load reflective of those antiestablishment years. Dean took more than one class on Marxism and studied the "History of Soviet Union," "Soviet Foreign Policy," "International Communism" and "Chinese Politics."

[Burkeman1]

Since he is being buried at Arlington-I would imagine that Charlie Dean was a spook. They won't admit it and his brother can't and won't say it but that is how I read it.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Here's a little advice for today's students.

Published Tuesday, November 2, 1999

"Grades of Bush '68 surface in magazine"

Bulldog file BY CHARLES FORELLE, Yale Daily News Staff Reporter

"But don't laugh too hard; most students here now whine about having to carry a load of five courses half the time. Bush, a history major, took 40 credits while enrolled at Yale."

[cookcounty]

"No mention of GWB's Harvard MBA? What a shock! "

I thought it was funny when one of the networks did a story last year on the "biological clock" of women, that reduces sharply the ability to get pregnant after age 30. They interviewed 3 young MBA students from Harvard, and they were bewailing how hard it is to find a suitable man when you' re at the pinnacle of intellectual excellence represented by a Harvard MBA.. I expected the reporter to challenge this assumption, after encouraging the idea that W was a dolt, but, oh no, they went right along with it.

Additional thought: W did NOT have a famous father In 1968.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Give me an average student with some common sense any day.

Sorry to dissappoint, but I think Dean's transcript IS average -- probably below average. However, I'm with you on the common sense.

[Paladin2]

"Basically it's whether you agree with the prof or not. I know of one Poli Sci class where the prof gave everyone an A. This reporter's got a lot of chutzpah equating Dean's poli sci major grades with Bush's business school grades."

BINGO!

[LouD]

They make a big deal about his grades versus W's.

Big freaking deal; Dean was a PoliSci major, while Bush has an MBA. Having sat through both curricula, (although it was not my undergrad major, I took several PoliSci courses as electives, and was only a class or two short of a second major) I can tell you that a B-school program is far more rigorous academically.

[LouD]

Charlie Dean's bones at Arlington National Cemetery...

My understanding is that Dean's brother wasn't even in the military. Arlington is for veterans only.

[FairWitness]

In my experience, you can learn just about any course from a few $30 (more expensive these days) books. The classes and the degrees are just credentials.

I spent 4 years getting a B.S. in chemistry and 6 years getting a Ph.D. in biochemistry. I subsequently learned "pharmacokinetics", my specialty and my bread-and-butter for the next 27 years, in 8 days! Granted, I had a good foundation to build on before the final "8 days", but the point is, I agree with you that most courses (just like most books) could be wrapped up in about 10% of the time they actually take. I guess the rest of the time is spent just growing up.

[Semi Civil Servant]

He earned seven honors, 17 high passes and 14 passes.

A low "B" average. A regular Einstein.

[meenie]

No, he was a Pole. I attended the UN of Ne.

[Momaw Nadon]

Does Howard Dean belong to the Order of Skull & Bones?

[FR_addict]

Bush, born 7/46, graduated from Yale University in 1968. Dean, born 11/48, was a freshman in 1967.

Seems to be some time missing here...

Good catch! I wonder if he repeated a grade before college, or repeated a college year, or spent a year or two in one of those college prepratory schools.

[sharkhawk]

Agree with the part of the MBA, but W did have a Grandfather who was a Senator, and his father had been a congressman.

[sully777]

Howard is the name that frightens me. Just asking for a six pack of whoop if you name him Howard. And Howie being 5'6" would make a good target for Winthrop, Bradford, and Chad. Why didn't his father just name him Barney and really make him a target for ridicule?

Brush was probably mother's family name. Correction: Hope Brush was his mother's family and not another cruel joke.

[Pagey]

"Howards Dean's transcript shows the political science major sailing through a slight sophomore slump to earn mostly high marks his last two years........"

On the other hand, Hillary Clintons 75 Page College Thesis STILL remains unavailable to 295 Million Americans; SUPPRESSED when she stepped into office in 1992. Hmmmmmph, one of the few people who acquired a copy of her thesis was BARBARA OLSEN, (RIP) and she wrote rather a Pithy and Succinct article about it---(share it with your friends, that's what 'The Internet' was made for,although they didn't realize that in the 1970's LOL)and I submit this for your 'Permanent Perusal' for those of you who missed this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1035840/posts?page=73#73

[Chu Gary]

How interesting that the AP and Newsday didn't use any such similar DIRECT comparisons btwn GWB's records and Algore's a few years ago. Could it be because Algore had a habit of flunking out?

[Pagey]

BTTT

[VeniVidiVici]

I just wanted other people to chose their own government and if they chose communism, fine by me

You know, my brother-in-law, a graduate of UT-Austin, admitted this to me not long ago. I was astonished!

I guess I never realized that lots of people think of communism as just another alternative economic system rather than the slave society it is.

[radiohead]

...lots of people think of communism as just another alternative economic system rather than the slave society it is

It took meeting Cambodians, Vietnamese, Chinese, and Russians to realize the folly of that line of thought. I never took a course in communism, but I have a feeling it is presented (or at least was in the 70s) as just another economic system, w/no mention of the human misery it caused.