Vince Foster: What the Media Won’t Tell You

NewsMax.com ^ | 12/04/03

[kattracks]

Major media outlets reported Wednesday on the Supreme Court hearing of California lawyer Allan Favish's case that government photographs of Vincent Foster’s death scene be released for public viewing. The media report that no fewer than five investigations have found that Foster committed suicide because he was depressed. But despite 10 years of denial by the major media, the Foster case has not “closed” – as the Supreme Court hearing Wednesday demonstrated.

The case won’t close because of the failure of authorities to make full disclosure – and to conduct a full investigation into the case, including a complete autopsy.

Vince Foster was not only deputy White House counsel but also the personal attorney to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

On the night of Foster’s death, top Clinton aides made a frantic effort to enter and remove documents from his West Wing office. In the days that followed, federal investigators were stymied in their investigation of Foster’s office and strange death.

Since Foster’s July 1993 death, the facts of his death have been obfuscated by friends of Bill and Hillary in the major media, but here’s the undeniable truth:

There weren’t “five” investigations into Foster’s death, as the media report. The Park Police, best known for their meter and horse patrols around Washington, were put in charge of the initial death inquiry of the most important federal official to die suspiciously since President Kennedy. The Park Police, contradicting standard procedure, declared the death a suicide before launching their inquiry.

The FBI never officially investigated the case but simply signed off on the Park Police “probe.” The bureau had little choice. The day before Foster’s death, Bill Clinton hurriedly fired the director of the FBI, William Sessions. Sessions later charged that Clinton had “politicized” the bureau.

Later, Robert Fiske, selected by Clinton’s counsel Bernie Nussbaum and Janet Reno, quickly confirmed the Park Police probe as a suicide.

But when Ken Starr entered the investigation, he reopened the case. His chief prosecutor in the case, Miquel Rodriguez, later quit the Starr investigation, claiming that Starr’s staff was engaging in a cover-up of Foster’s death.

Rodriguez, a Harvard-educated federal prosecutor, argued that one of the Polaroid photos taken of Foster at the crime scene indicated an additional wound on Foster’s neck – never noted on the autopsy report. Favish’s suit before the Supreme Court is seeking to release this photo, among others.

No fewer than three of the paramedics on the scene indicated in reports or testimony that the crime scene was consistent with a murder scene, not a suicide.

A careful FBI microscopic investigation of Foster’s shoes found not a trace of soil or grass stains on them, though he supposedly walked several hundred yards through wooded Fort Marcy Park to where his body was found. [Years later, Starr’s investigation found plenty of soil and grass stains. Rodriguez charged that the shoes were tampered with to produce such “evidence.”]

Foster was found with little blood around his body – and despite claims that he fired the gun into his mouth, practically no blood was found on the front of his shirt.

Foster was found with a 1913 revolver no one in his family could claim, with two serial numbers, made from the parts of three or more guns. None of Foster’s fingerprints were found on the gun.

The bullet that supposedly killed Foster was never found, despite intensive searches.

Despite claims to the contrary, no one who knew Foster, including Hillary, Web Hubbell and his own wife, saw signs of depression.

A so-called suicide note was found in an office briefcase that had been searched and found to be empty after Foster’s death. The note was torn into 27 pieces. Yet an FBI examination found no trace of Foster’s fingerprints on the note and a top Oxford handwriting expert found the note to be an “obvious” forgery.

Despite the enormity of the case, Foster’s autopsy lasted an astounding 45 minutes. The coroner in the case had previously been overruled in other cases he declared “suicides” that were later found to be murders.

All of the X-rays taken during the autopsy are missing.

Complete crime scene photos don’t exist. The Park Police said all the photos were “accidentally” overexposed. A series of close-up Polaroids, which Favish is suing for, remain. This is just a brief summary of the dozens of inconsistencies in the case. Two New York homicide investigators who looked into the case concluded that Foster’s body had been moved to the crime scene and that murder could not be ruled out.

Despite overwhelming evidence of a cover-up, the media won’t question the official ruling.

Ken Starr, who could find no criminal wrongdoing on the part of the Clintons during his “intensive” probe, confirmed a ruling of suicide. Starr even hired O.J. Simpson’s defense expert to prove his case.

If ever there were a case for public disclosure of government records and photos, it’s the Vince Foster case. The high court should decide in Allan Favish’s favor.

[Triple]

Thanks again - for the sterile piece info.

Best Regards,

[beezdotcom]

What same questions? Now JFK was a suicide?

If the Park Police had investigated, it would have been...

[texasbluebell]

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[texasbluebell]

Here's an old thread with a wealth of articles linked within it.

SUDDEN INSTANT DEATH SYNDROME - A Clinton Disease - II

[Travis McGee]

What we need to do is appoint another *BLUE*RIBBON*PANEL* of trusted Washington insiders to examine this case.

I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of it.

[Travis McGee]

In my novel, the bad guys use "Vince Foster" as a verb a couple of times. As in,

"This guy is just a liability to us now. I want you to take him out tonight and Vince Foster him in his car with his own gun."

[Tymesup]

I believe Mr. Brown's body was not cremated.

[Tymesup]

"This theory supposes that Foster killed himself there and the B team did a sloppy cleanup job"

Why would they have done a sloppy job? If Mrs. Clinton found the body, she would have called the A team. If a hypothetical cleaning lady found the body, she would have called Mrs. Clinton, who calls the A team. Who else gets into the getaway spot?

"2.) was informed of his death and a story/coverup was crafted"

The A team would have done the hit and a coverup would have been planned from the start.

***

Suppose he was getting ready to crack. Either Mr. or Mrs. Clinton would have motive to have him whacked. Arkancides seem to come in different flavors and abilities. Taking down Ron Brown's plane (and finishing him off later) would have taken a lot of ability.

***
Disappointing comment from Scalia. Agreed it doesn't look promising that the pictures will turn up. I wonder what they would be worth on the open market.

[Tymesup]

The only thing Mr. and Mrs. Clinton seem to be "good" at is politics and sax. I doubt either of them does the actual Arkanciding or is even present at the scene.

The question is whether they use the same people or each have their own teams. Actually, there may be three teams - ours, his and hers.

[Tymesup]

Here are some links to FR threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3acb4f135489.htm
Posts 18, 98 and 106 are interesting. Michael Rivero, in post 119, notes that Foster's death got him interested in government lies.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b0d35501a23.htm
Post 31, by goseminoles, is a letter from Reed Irvine.

[hosepipe]

Boy! ain't that the truth....Poor ol' Vinny's been doin sevral hundred RPM in his coffin ever since... BUT

Vinny is one on a list of oh! so many .....
http://alamo-girl.com/0262.htm <<-- click here on the blue for the list..

[Tymesup]

One last thought. Jerry Parks thought he was a dead man when he heard Foster was dead. What did Parks and Foster have in common?

Rivero thought Foster died over the Clinton blind trust issue. Since Parks wouldn't have been involved, perhaps the blind trust was not the motive.

[hosepipe]

http://alamo-girl.com/thedead.htm I mean here...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the information!

[pepsionice]

There is a belief that the Wall Street Journal story on Vince...concerned his money couriering for Bill. Vince had been taking cash out of the country and depositing it into Swiss bank accounts...helping to hide whatever Bill raked in from payoffs. Apparently in the months prior to the suicide...Vince got caught on one of these delivery epiosdes by German authorities...similiarly to the Don Johnson episode that occurred last year...trying to enter Swiss territory with a huge amount of cash or checks on the person. They documented the episode and allowed him to proceed...but it was public record...just like Don Johnson...and Vince really had a stress problem after being caught and worrying about who would figure this out. Put yourself in these shoes...you have been couriering money out of the country for 10 years for Bubba...and putting it into a secret account to avoid taxes and legal questions...and the amount is likely more than $10 million. Bill and Hillery start to look very suspicious in the eyes of the public...and for Vince...he simply could not handle that pressure. I think this alone led to hours and hours of worry...to the point where he could not function...and thus caused the suicide. Hillery likely knew that he was becoming unglued and immedately fell into a 'protect your butt' situation after the episode. The worry by everyone...was the question about the Wall Street Journal continuing the story. My guess is that Bill talked personally with the editors and ensured they were on the inside track of dozens of other stories in the future...and thus never brought up the Vince money story ever again.

It would be interesting to look at the 'breaking' stories of the Wall Street Journal for the remaining period after the Vince suicide and see if they had aboslute insider knowledge of key events.

[longfellow]

Very simple Watson, Vince had an affair with hillary, and to do that you cannot be human, there fore Vince was a Vampire, no blood.

[IncPen]

Why would they have done a sloppy job? If Mrs. Clinton found the body, she would have called the A team. If a hypothetical cleaning lady found the body, she would have called Mrs. Clinton, who calls the A team. Who else gets into the getaway spot?

Craig Livingstone gets in, I guess, no?

My thinking is it was either a suicide in the WH that was 'moved to a better location' or a hit by 'B' or 'C' level operatives (think: former bar bouncer?).

It is the Clinton M.O. to make the worst possible choice, then fight your way out of it.

It's possible that someone found Foster and began acting on their own (suicide), or that it was murder carried out by 'C' level operatives who then had to be cleaned up after when the pieces no longer fit the story

Suppose he was getting ready to crack. Either Mr. or Mrs. Clinton would have motive to have him whacked. Arkancides seem to come in different flavors and abilities. Taking down Ron Brown's plane (and finishing him off later) would have taken a lot of ability.

Right. I would think that a connection to someone like, oh, say Riady, would be able to scrounge up helpers for this type of thing. I would think the hardest part of this op. would be making the decision to have it done.

Washington's not much different from Little Rock in that regard, I would imagine. WIth the Clinton ability to attract scumbags, certainly someone could come up with a dirty ex-military mercenary to arrange Ron's accident.

Disappointing comment from Scalia. Agreed it doesn't look promising that the pictures will turn up. I wonder what they would be worth on the open market.

In Scalia's defense, it's usually the liberal media trying to knock down a Republican that's championing a cause like this. Scalia is covering his bases for the larger questions in a case like this. I think the 'closed door' discussion at SCOTUS will (obviously) not be the merits of Foster in particular but of the broadest interpetation of 'right to know' what's happened in the death of a 'public figure'. We have to understand, as always, that this may come back to haunt us, but what other choice do we have? Who among us accepts the 'explanation' of JFKs demise? For this reason, I'm mildly optimistic. And I temper that optimism with a sense of sorrow for Foster's family, that this ever came to pass.

I wonder if the damn pictures even exist any more, that is to say, the 'real' pictures.

[Tymesup]

I'm skeptical of the hideaway/Livingstone theory. Foster leaves work, saying I'm going for lunch, back soon, knowing he's got dinner plans with the wife. He brought the gun to work with him that morning and nobody thinks he's on edge that day. Livingstone happens to go the hideaway on the exact day and almost hour Foster pulls the trigger. (Or Foster calls Livingstone to arrange a cleanup).

Livingstone thinks he could be blamed for the death and panics. Or Livingstone decides a cleanup is needed and that he and/or Kennedy can do the job. Somebody thinks the oven mitt is a good idea.

Do we know if anyone ever identified the oven mitt as Foster's? It seems unlikely that someone decided, as the cleanup is in progress, that they would go to Foster's house, excuse themselves from any family members present, and borrow an oven mitt.

If the mitt was gone earlier in the day, then either Foster cluttered up his briefcase or walked out of the house with the gun inside in the mitt in his hand or somebody else planned the whole thing.

***

The prudent thing would have been to destroy the pictures once, rather than take the chance that they spontaneously disappear into the wrong hands at any point in time. The risk is that you need to produce the pictures in the future. Given the acquiescent nature of the press, it's not a big risk.

***

I don't think we will get the goods on this crime family. I think it's more likely somebody else will think they're not getting their fair share, say Howard Dean, for instance. Or Tom Daschle. Or Charles Schumer. Or a Chinese general. Dick Gephardt. Ralph Nader. Ted Kennedy.

Mrs. Clinton says to Wesley Clark, why don't I run as your veep, thinking I can always arrange an Arkancide if I don't like the way things are running. Clark accepts her wonderful idea, thinking I'll be President, I can Arkancide her first, her Secret Service agents will hesitate just a little bit before protecting her.

Or Mrs. Clinton decides the best way to boost her popularity is to be the grieving widow.

Or Mrs. Clinton decides the best way to boost her election chances is to take a crack at Mr. Bush. Whether she succeeds or not, Mr. Bush's team decides enough is enough and the orders are given.

If the Clintons were to slash their wrists or hang themselves or blow their brains out or fly into the side of a mountain or all of the above, who would question the tragedy of the suicide?

[sweetliberty]

"His policy so far seems to be hands off the Clintons."

Perhaps he has just been waiting for something rock solid that will stick. He would be my hero forever if he would deliver us from the evil of the Clintons for once and for all! What a legacy for Dubya....take down the Taliban, take down Saddam and take down the Clintons....3 brutal and oppressive regimes wouldn't be half bad for one president.

[sweetliberty]

Interesting theory.