Bishop's anti-gay comments spark legal investigation

Telegraph - uk ^ | November 10 2003 | Richard Alleyne

[kittymyrib]

This is why the founders included the First Amendment rights in our Constitution. Much as we deplore the offensive speech we might hear, it is much worse to have no freedom of speech. ALL hate crime legislation in this country related to speech should be struck down by the Supreme Court.

[JSteff]

The sad thing is I fear it may never come. When the queers have the judiciary as well as the media on their side it becomes an almost impossible battle.

Those doing right can be made to appear bad as well as being legally held as bad.

The world continues to spiral downward. Pray for our children.

[highlander_UW]

That "bygone era" was way back in the 1970's when homosexuality was listed as a psychological illness.

Apparently we can watch the I Love the 70's TV show, but we can't agree with the values.

[Brian Allen]

<< When the backlash comes, it's going to be ugly. But well-deserved >>

..... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security .....

Only 30% of Americans supported Our Beloved FRaternal Republic's First War of Independence. How few of US, I wonder, will support the next? And/or once-great britain's?

[Brian Allen]

<< When the queers have the judiciary as well as the media on their side it becomes an almost impossible battle. >>

WE are our media and Our Nation's Founding Law lays out the means for US to take care of all tyrants.

Including those self-annointed activist tyrants who would presume to rule US by fiat.

As Travis quite cooly calmly and confidently already stated here on his and on my bahalf, at least: "When [Our] backlash comes, it's going to be ugly -- but well-deserved."

[tbpiper]

Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement

Same aroma and consistentcy as a bowel movement.

[Skooz]

Crimethink.

Coming to a Republic near you.

[Fearless Flyers]

Sorry Porterville, while I understand your thoughts I have to disagree with making Europe “civilized once and for all”. But this could just my subjective interpretation.

How familiar are you with American History and the fact that our own revolution was instigated by antagonists such as Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine. The origin of political debate in this great Nation was rude in its beginning and damn offensive through most of its existence.

I'm one offensive bastard a "Rude American" and damn proud of it. If people don't like it, they can crawl back under Momma's skirt and stay the hell out of my face. When the crybabies started insisting debate become more civil in this country, is when we began to see the citizens become feminized. Now the servant of government has become the master and we can thank the pansy boys who are offended by other's words for that. It is their misplaced compassion that has allowed the government to become so offensive.

When I ask the people, why they’re so Limp and Bent over today? Would the people appreciate the love and concern in asking the question? Or will they continue to piss and moan from under Momma's skirt?

[scripter]

I really appreciate all the pings. We wouldn't have all the information we have on homosexual issues if it wasn't a team effort. Thanks.

Martin Reynolds, the communication director of the LGCM said

"If he wants to say that homosexuality is a sin then he is entitled to his views but to say it is a psychiatric disorder is wrong...What is particularly worrying is that this man has spent 18 months researching this issue."

Mr. Reynolds, let me point you to what the experts say on the matter. You can start at the link below and check my profile for updates:

Categorical index

In a nutshell, Mr. Reynolds, the major factor in determining homosexuality, and again according to the experts, is environment. It appears it is you, Mr. Reynolds, that needs to read up on the issues.

[TaxRelief]

Now I wonder who we should send this info to over there in the UK?

[scripter]

Now I wonder who we should send this info to over there in the UK?

Good question. We could start with Mr. Reynolds at the LGCM (Lesbian & Gay Christian Movement):

LGCM
Oxford House
Derbyshire St
London, E2 6HG
United Kingdom

The database update I'm working on will have about 50% more links, be easier to reference specific categories, and be sorted by year. Referencing specific categories should be a quick way to answer the pro-gay and uninformed folks when they make statements we know to be false. Having the database sorted by year lets us see the homosexual agenda in a timeline.

[scripter]

BTW, The LGCM (Lesbian & gay Christian Movement) has a website. Their main site is here, or you can click here to "Enter website". Either link can get you to information about what they believe. Further delving into their website tells me they're not interested in the latest research on the issue, perhaps because they don't like the reports.

[agrace]

"If he wants to say that homosexuality is a sin then he is entitled to his views but to say it is a psychiatric disorder is wrong."

Why, has someone demonstrated for sure that it isn't?

"What is particularly worrying is that this man has spent 18 months researching this issue. We welcome the police investigation."

Hmm, well, if 18 months of study didn't change his opinion, maybe there's something to his views after all.

[Darksheare]

"angered homosexuals by suggesting they seek a psychiatric cure"

I find it interesting that gays get angered by this, yet when they say something similar no-one gets upset.
*snort*
I guess part of their agenda, to be elevated to a protected status and force their views on others by governemntal fiat, is accomplished.

[FreeAtlanta]

Since when is "offensiveness" a crime? Since never. Never was, never will be.

Apparently, it is in England, Canada, France and other so called liberal bastions. And the left pays lip service to free speech. Yeah, only as a tool to take it away!

[eastsider]

I hope "reorientate" is not a real word.

It's not. It should be "reorient".

Why can't the English teach their bishops how to speak?

[Graybeard58]

I read in one of William Safire's books about the "tate/tater" phenomenon, commentator was one that agitated him a lot. His contention was that, commenter would work just as well. Orient/orientate was another one.

He has written some great books on language.

[eastsider]

For reasons beyond me, the English seem to have a penchant for such baroque inventions.

I used to look forward to reading Safire's column in the Sunday New York Times Magazine section, until I could no longer justify spending my hard-earned dollars on that liberal rag. I might just spring for one of Safire's books, however. It might make a good Christmas present for one of the adults in my family. Thanks for the heads up.

[ladylib]

Ginzburg and O'Connor are looking to Europe to define constitutional issues in this country.