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To: mac_truck
If you have any evidence that the United States targeted grandmothers and newborns at any time during its existance, then submit it.

Numerous Native American attacks slaughtered everyone young and old. Ever heard of Wounded Knee? Under a white flag Union troops killed 350+ men, women and children. Custer slaughtered over 150 at Washita River. Over 300 killed at Sand Creek.

829 posted on 11/25/2003 3:20:31 AM PST by 4CJ ('Scots vie 4 tavern juices' - anagram by paulklenk, 22 Nov 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Re Sand Creek:
The United States being desirous to express its condemnation of, and, as far as may be, repudiate the gross and wanton outrages perpetrated against certain bands of Cheyenne and Arrapahoe Indians, on the twenty-ninth day of November, A.D. 1864, at Sand Creek, in Colorado Territory, while the said Indians were at peace with the United States, and under its flag, whose protection they had by lawful authority been promised and induced to seek, and the Government being desirous to make some suitable reparation for the injuries then done...
Treaty with the Cheyenne and Arapaho, 14 Oct 1865.

Also see the Marias, Bear River, Sand Creek, Washita, Nez Perce, and Wounded Knee massacres. This from Sherman (*spit*)

"As brave men and as the soldiers of a government which has exhausted its peace efforts, wise, in the performance of a most unpleasant duty, accept the war begun by our enemies and hereby resolve to make its end final. If it results in the utter annihilation of these Indians it is but the result of what they have warned again and again, and for which they seem fully prepared. I will say nothing and do nothing to restrain our troops from doing what they deem proper on the spot and will allow not mere vague general charges of cruelty and inhumanity to tie their hands, but will use all the powers confided to me to the end that these Indians, the enemies of our race and of our civilization, shall not again be able to begin and carry on their barbarous warfare on any kind of a pretext that they may choose to allege."
And from Sheridan
"In taking the offensive I have to select that season when I can catch the fiends; and if a village is attacked and women and children killed, the responsibility is not with the soldiers, but with the people whose crimes necessitated the attack."

830 posted on 11/25/2003 6:26:17 AM PST by 4CJ ('Scots vie 4 tavern juices' - anagram by paulklenk, 22 Nov 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Ever heard of Wounded Knee?

Ever heard of Killbough Texas?

This article was written for a Dallas newspaper by Charles Kilpatrick, Special Writer. There is no date on the yellowed newspaper clipping but it was likely written in 1949 since it states that Mrs. Partlow, born in 1869, was 80 years of age. It gives many details of what happened there after the 1838 Massacre. The photograph and caption at the bottom of this article also appeared with it.

A yellowed manuscript in the possession of 80-year-old Mrs. W. F. Partlow of Houston and Cherokee County tells the story of Texas' last Indian massacre, a bloody raid that claimed 18 adults and children. The pages of foolscap record the story of Mrs. Parlow's grandmother, a hardy pioneer who escaped the ambush of her family and walked 40 miles to safety, bearing in her arms an infant who was later to become Mrs. Partlow's father. (See Uncle Billie's Story in the Historical Story Archives.)

The massacre occurred on October 5, 1838, when a band of renegade Indians swept through the Killough community, a few miles north of what is now Jacksonville, and decimated the families of Isaac Killough, Sr., his four sons, Allen, Samuel, Nathaniel and Isaac. Jr., and two sons-in-law, Owen Williams and George Wood.

It was this piece of treachery that caused the final expulsion of the Cherokees from Texas soil. As word of the massacre spread, public indignation rose and action was demanded to end the threat of Indian reprisals. President Mirabeau B. Lamar ordered the Cherokee leader, Chief Bowles, to leave the state and when he refused, troops were ordered into action.

Less than a year after the massacre, the Cherokees met crushing defeat in an engagement in Van Zandt County and were sent fleeing into Oklahoma. Chief Bowles, a tall, blue-eyed half-breed, fell on the field of battle wearing a silk vest, crested military hat and sword and sash given to him by his friend, Sam Houston.

An Indian uprising (earlier) in 1838 had driven the Killough settlers from their homes but Isaac, Sr., had negotiated a trade which would allow his people to return and harvest their crops. One afternoon's work remained on October 5 when the men left for the fields. In a nearby creek bottom, the men walked into the ambush.

Painted redmen shot down Isaac, Jr., Allen, Samuel and George Wood, then swept uphill into the little settlement. Isaac, Sr., fell in his front yard and Barakias Williams was killed in front of the screaming women. Eight settlers, including seven women and children, were seized by warriors and carried into the forest. They were never seen or heard of again. Two of them were 17-year-old girls who fearfully held hands as they were led away.

Nathaniel Killough and his wife (and 11 mo. old baby girl, Eliza Jane) escaped into a canebrake and Mrs. Samuel Killough, Mrs. Isaac Killough, Sr., Mrs. Isaac Killough, Jr., and the baby William also managed to elude the redskins. Three weary days later the little party staggered into Fort Lacy at Alto, 40 miles south, where they found safety. Mrs. Narcissa Killough, who carried her (12 mo. old) son, William, to safety in spite of her weak 94-pound body, always maintained that Mexicans and at least one white man were members of the raiding party.

After Texas troops drove the Cherokees into Oklahoma, Nathaniel Killough returned to the settlement and rebuilt his home from the charred ruins. By 1846 a townsite (nearby and named Larissa) had been laid out. Settlement of the country then progressed peacefully and quickly.

Years after the tragedy, Narcissa Killough dictated her memoirs to her son. It is this handwritten account that Mrs. Partlow holds today (see photo at top of page).

833 posted on 11/25/2003 8:35:49 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"You will therefore use all means to persuade the Apaches or any tribe to come in for the purpose of making peace, and when you get them together kill all the grown Indians and take the children prisoner and sell them to defray the expense of killing the Indians. Buy whiskey....for the Indians and I will order vouchers given to recover the amount expended. Have a sufficient number of men around to allow no Indian to escape....l look to you for success against these cursed pests."

John R. Baylor, Confederate governor of Arizona, order to Capt. Helms, commander of the Arizona Guards, March 1862

834 posted on 11/25/2003 8:46:32 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Over 300 killed at Sand Creek.


843 posted on 11/25/2003 9:00:21 AM PST by mac_truck
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
WELL SAID!

in the csae of the immoral slaughter of my family, there were NO persons capable of bearing arms, who were raped, tortured, robbed or murdered. NONE!

that makes at least 92 cases of WAR CRIMES for ole mac_truck to dismiss as "perfectly OK"!

all the men and several of the women were off fighting for the TRUE CAUSE. (NOTE: our women have ALWAYS been accepted as warriors!)

free dixie,sw

844 posted on 11/25/2003 9:03:35 AM PST by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. ,T. Jefferson)
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