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This is about the forth time, I think that this series of quotes has been dragged out. And, to repeat myself, after-dinner testimonials that don't address the point are not a meaningful response to the problems I have just now adumbrated for about the forth time, without anyone attempting to answer it, or come to grips with it, or for that matter, meaningfully acknowledged the existence thereof.

Of course PIUS helped the jews--that does not mean he and his church aren't guilty of contributed mightily to getting them in the nazi gunsites in the first place. Just as the church owns up to in the "We Remember" document.

1 - I didn't see these quotes listed together, so your snide comment not withstanding, they bear posting at the risk of repeating.
2 - They are not after-dinner testimonials, so your characterization is wrong.
3 - "Adumbrate" is a fairly accurate description of the vague accusations you hurl.
4 - Another word you could look up is "eisegesis" which describes how you came to your conclusion first and then accepted only evidence, no matter how twisted, to support your conclusion.

This is about the forth time, I think that this series of quotes has been dragged out.

And they will continue to be "dragged out" as long as you continue to discuss "Pius the Silent" (which he, by the way, properly earned, according to you). As it is painfully obvious to most people, it is impossible to label Pius "silent" when there are so many contemporary accounts (not "after dinner testimonials) relating exactly what he said. The two are mutually exclusive.

Of course PIUS helped the jews

We'll see if that is still "operational" later in the thread.

--that does not mean he and his church aren't guilty of contributed mightily to getting them in the nazi gunsites in the first place.

That's a monstrously stupid thing to say. Pius, even before he was Pope, denounced Nazism in the fiercest terms:

On April 28, 1935, four years before the War even started, Pacelli gave a speech that aroused the attention of the world press. Speaking to an audience of 250,000 pilgrims in Lourdes, France, the future Pius XII stated that the Nazis "are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult."[iii] It was talks like this, in addition to private remarks and numerous notes of protest that Pacelli sent to Berlin in his capacity as Vatican Secretary of State, that earned him a reputation as an enemy of the Nazi party.

Dr. Joseph Lichten, a Polish Jew who served as a diplomat and later an official of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, writes: "Pacelli had obviously established his position clearly, for the Fascist governments of both Italy and Germany spoke out vigorously against the possibility of his election to succeed Pius XI in March of 1939, though the cardinal secretary of state had served as papal nuncio in Germany from 1917 to 1929. . . . The day after his election, the Berlin Morgenpost said: ‘The election of cardinal Pacelli is not accepted with favor in Germany because he was always opposed to Nazism and practically determined the policies of the Vatican under his predecessor.’ "[iv]

Former Israeli diplomat and now Orthodox Jewish Rabbi Pinchas Lapide states that Pius XI "had good reason to make Pacelli the architect of his anti-Nazi policy. Of the forty-four speeches which the Nuncio Pacelli had made on German soil between 1917 and 1929, at least forty contained attacks on Nazism or condemnations of Hitler’s doctrines. . . . Pacelli, who never met the Führer, called it ‘neo-Paganism.’ "[v]

In the encyclical Mit Brennender Sorge (1937) whose final form Pius XI attributed to then-Cardinal Pacelli, made the statement:

"we are all Semites spiritually" and ought to hold the Jewish people in high regard accordingly. Rabbi Lapide relates that shortly after his election, Pius reaffirmed: "It is impossible for a Catholic to be an anti-Semite; spiritually all of us are Semites."

You have to jam your fingers pretty deep into your ears (and close your eyes very tightly) in order for Pius to be "silent".