[presidio9]

Let us review. "Voice of Jesus" is a shorthand for Papal Infallibility, which IS a doctrine of the catholic church, and is, as I have stated, only invoked upon cathedral pronouncements of grave formal presentment. You are once again caviling at irrelevancies because you prefer that to answering the central charges. I have demonstrated the common use of the term, do I really need to do your homework for you on the subject Papal Infallibility?

Apparently so. Care to tell us where Papal Infallibility can be invoked? Hint: Never in matters of state.

Look, you are flat-out wrong here. The Church has been very clear on this matter.

[donh]

Apparently so. Care to tell us where Papal Infallibility can be invoked? Hint: Never in matters of state.

Ah, progress on this front too, so now we acknoledge the existence of Papal infallibility. When Martin Luther and his followers and theses were condemned, and the protestant wars followed, was that an example of avoiding matters of state?

Look, you are flat-out wrong here. The Church has been very clear on this matter.

Wrong about what? Indeed the church has been clear, see the "We Remember" document.

from the catholic encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

If the Pope can condemn & commit genocide on the anabaptists in protestant Switzerland, it is very hard to see how there's some magic line between matters of state and doctrine the pope isn't permitted to trespass--the gist of your argument, I presume.

Papal infallibility means whatever the Pope declares it to mean, being infallible.