Posted on 11/03/2003 8:27:06 AM PST by Brian S
Indeed it is. Why does your one quote from Hitler trump my 20? Nobody tests me at the door to my church to see if I have the moral fiber to be permitted inside. I know many catholics who whore, curse, verbally abuse the church, and beat their wives. It doesn't deter them from being considered catholic, or considering themselves catholic, and the church makes no move to strip them of their beads. Show me the official papers making Hitler, a baptised catholic, not a catholic.
Which means it can be re-defined again, doesn't it? Particularly if you happen to be infalllible.
This is, of course, a total mis-statement of the questions at issue, and a total distraction. Kindly answer the question concerning papal infallibility and the anabaptists.
LOL.
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You posted the link, not me. You offered up this garbage as evidence that your biggotry is politically correct. Defend it.
Of course it can. Man is fallible. God redirects him on His own schedule. Your pathalogical need to reach hundreds of years into the past to support your hatred is a clear indication that your theories are nothing but ugly lies.
More nonsense. Religion is a contract between an individual and God. I have been a Catholic since Baptism, but no papers exist to document it. Does this mean that I am not a Catholic? There are no lawyers in religion dumbass.
Why, because I reject a fool and her philosophy? Or because I reject your labeling of Novak.
Than I presume you admit that you have no substantive evidence to offer as to Hitler's catholocism any stronger than the quote you just offered up, and which I trumped with 20 other quotes, and which is not particularly signed onto by historians, other than church defenders.
I have been a Catholic since Baptism, but no papers exist to document it.
I see. You don't have a baptismal certificate? I do.
Does this mean that I am not a Catholic?
If you have a baptismal certificate, and you ever attended mass, all else being equal, my guess is that you, in fact, are, in the eyes of the church, and probably have been counted so by her demographers.
There are no lawyers in religion dumbass.
No, but there are plenty of half-baked jesuits with bugs up their behind who can't let go of a simple issue of little consequence. Who gives a rats ass if Hitler was catholic or not? Plain as the nose on your face, from the primary evidence I have offred you, Hitler persistently appealed to both anti-semitic and anti-jewish sentiments of the population of nazi germany. Which did not spring unbidden from the German brow--it was carefully cultivated by the Catholic church, by that churches own admission in the "We Remember" document.
The defense rests.
Man is fallible. God redirects him on His own schedule. Your pathalogical need to reach hundreds of years into the past to support your hatred is a clear indication that your theories are nothing but ugly lies.
The "We Remember" document was published at the end of the 2oth century, because of a felt need of repair--what do you think prompted that felt need?; anti-jewish sentiment was being promulgated by catholic clergy and in newspapers that were her vehicle for promulgating official announcements, well into the 20th century. Check out "Constantine's Sword" for references. Shame on you for your inability to acknowledge this. Why do you think the german clergy were willing to hand marriage and baptismal documents over to the SS? Why do you think the Slovokian clergy had to be admonished by PIUS XII?
Was Hitler a Christian?
You have quotes, I have quotes. Hitler was baptized catholic, made numerous public declamations of his faith, while Reichchancellor, which I have cited, & throughout the war, examples of which I have enumerated. and was not excommunicated by the PIUS XII, who outlived him, and Hitler attended no other church that anyone knows about.
By any reasonable definition that applies to ordinary folks, Hitler was a christian--you are straining a camel though a needle's eye, for obvious reasons, to see otherwise.
Actually, to be fair--that was a pretty balanced analysis, and I'll admit that I don't think Hitler was a "serious" christian, he was a hypocrite about it--but, let me point out that my church does not have a test at the door to keep hypocrites from attending, and I doubt that yours does either.
At any rate, the point at issue is--why was Hitler's pretense of christianity a prudent political move? Because His electorate was.
Sure, as soon as you do, and stop punctuating your arguments with epithets like "dumbass". You don't calm down a horse by digging your spurs into it.
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