World's 'Oldest' Rice Found

BBC ^ | 10-21-2003 | Dr David Whitehouse

[Ichneumon]

Yeah, the lies called evolution.

Perhaps you could provide some actual support for that emptily presented blanket statement, and be more specific while you're at it.

[Ichneumon]

For goodness sake, it's still rice. It is not half rice half some primitive ancestor.

So? Ask the creationist websites authors, if you've got something against that "science" thing. Evolution "within kinds" is still evolution.

[razorbak]

I thought the oldest rice was in the Chinese buffet just before it closes in the evening.

LOL

[Ichneumon]

Rice from 50 years ago is different from rice now because us humans have been modifying it to be hardier and more productive.

...by using evolutionary processes.

To call this evolution

Which it is.

is just plain stupid and dishonest.

To call things "stupid and dishonest" is your one-note theme these days, and heavily contributed to the last thread being pulled. Why don't you try something more productive this time, like trying to discuss issues based on evidence instead of attacks and blanket accusations?

[Ichneumon]

I understand it perfectly.

Not that I've noticed.

I understand that it is used to mean whatever someone wants it to mean.

Then you understand it incorrectly.

When it is used about living things it means undesigned

No, it does not.

and rice was designed by human hands so it is a false use of the word.

Until just the last few years when direct genetic engineering became possible, the refinement of rice was hardly "designed by human hands", it was instead improved by humans who first unwittingly drove the evolution of rice, then later purposely directed the evolution. But it was still done via the process of evolution (reproduction, variation, and selection).

It's not a "false use of the word" at all. Selective breeding (and/or cross-breeding) is still evolution, in every sense of the word.

[venit_victimarius_fuit_vicit]

'It's not a "false use of the word" at all. Selective breeding (and/or cross-breeding) is still evolution, in every sense of the word.'

I think his problem with calling changes in rice due to mutation 'evolution' is the fact that Neo-Darwinists apply 'evolution' to every change great or small that has is reproduced in a population. But is this evolution? You would like us to think so. There has been no observed mutation that has been shown to add relevent information content to a genome. Neo-Darwinists like to blur the distinction between 'macro' and 'micro' evolution asserting that since we can see 'micro' changes this must mean 'macro' changes are possible. Such is the case with Darwin's finches, bacterial resistance to antibiotics, etc...

[blam]

Bump. This may interest you.

[blam]

"The discovery is another scientific and theoretical proof that there was an ice age in Korea. "

There was a lot more land there then that is now under water.

[JimSEA]

I have to agree with the posters that voice concern about the date.

The climate would have had warm summers and brutal winters for any areas not under and ice cap. 15,000 years is 3000 years after the max of the ice age and 1000 years before the first of the great flooding periods. So ther may have been some coastal lowlands. It seems possible but not too likely for rice cultivation.

2. Most current thought put the gradual cultivation of rice moving from wild plants gathered by farmers to developed plants occuring in a semi-tropical or tropical zone. There is evidence for this on the Malay Penninsula and Korat Plateau in Southeast Asia between 8,000 and 8,500 years ago. The wide variety of plants available to the people fits a tropical setting. The Negritos on the Malay pennninsula first gathered plants near their villages and later cultivated rice. Their discoveries may have gone back as far as 10,000 years.

3. The great land mass in Asia that was lost in the sea level rise, did force people into current land areas in China and Korea as well as Southeast Asia but the first large move would have been 14,000 year ago. As life was easier in the lowlands and over population does not seem to have been a problem, you would expect the development of rice farming to have taken place first in areas that a submerged now. What we see in the Korat Plateau seems to support this as the development was sudden (although much archaeology remains to be done as there has been for less there than in the Mid-East)

[SunkenCiv]

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