Terri Can Eat With A Spoon

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[Jeff Head]

Someone has to have the guts and the fortitude to do what is right here...irrespective of the cost or consequences.

In the end, that is the only way for right to be advanced IMHO...we have been living for many, many years on the sacrifice of those who went before who were willing.

The time may soon be coming when it will be our turn to either show that commitment...or lose our liberty and way of life. Things like this make me believe that the time is more nearly upon us than most imagine.

[Don Joe]

I just received an email from a very highly placed source that says it looks like the fight is over. I am awaiting clarification but it does not sound good.

[blastbaby]

I make off the comments all the time.
I do not expect them to be taken as a point of law.

As a former nurse, I cannot even begin to convey what this means to me. As a Canadian, our government and courts would not accept the wishes of a non-brain-damaged women who spoke elequently about her wishes (Sue Rodrigues) to end her life.

If only someone could get her here.

[MHGinTN]

Now that you're back, how about telling us where you found the documents you claim state Terri has no cortex any longer. I've sifficeient medical background to read and comprehend them. Care to fills us now? [Incidentally, Terri had a DNR placed upon her charts as soon as Michael received the insurance settlement monies. He would not even allow a nurse at the nursing home to roll up a cloth and place it in her constricting hand. He placed an order upon her chart that she was to receive NO THERAPY way back when a state appointed guardian was in charge of her care, a guardian whom Michael had fudge Greer fire and then appoint Michael. The therapy Terri needed/needs was requested to be paid for by the state's guardian, but Michael wouldn't pay it so the $750,000 remained in her trust fund until fudge Greer secretly authorized Michael to raid it in order to pay George Felos, euthanasia atty. Now most of the $750,000 is gone down the Felos rathole.]

[TheOtherOne]

It's been documented to timbuktu and back, which you'd know if you'd done any research on the matter.

Excuse my ignorance, I have not seen anyone indicate that Teri made her wishes clear in a way that we can see, other than the claimed statement made to her husband. Please point me to anything where she indicates she wants to live in this state.

Your protestations about my questions, without an answer, leave me to belive you were using your opinions in place of her's.

[Jeff Head]

Is there any solid evidence, other than the word of the husband (who for all the reasons already stated is suspect at the best), that she has clearly indicated that she wanted to die in these cirumstances?

I there isn't...then society must err on the side of life in such cases. She has relatives who will take care of her. She is not comatose or unconscious. To kill her without that clear evidence that this is what she wants is tatamount to murder.

Even if she did want it...in this case, with her physical situation being what it is, it would be assisted suicide which is illegal in Florida I believe.

The burden must be on those wanting to kill her...not the other way around. Otherwise we have already bought full into the culture of death and much worse is not far around the corner IMHO.

[Don Joe]

Do your own homework!

The resources are available, it's not rocket science to find her website.

That's right. I'm telling you to find it on your own.

You breeze in here and start lecturing us, when it is painfully evident that you're shooting from the lip?

You're lucky people have been as polite to you as they've been. Someone we care about is being murdered in cold blood -- and may even be dead as we speak. And you expect us to drop what we're doing and change your diaper for you?

This stuff has been hashed out ad nauseum. Do your own homework.

And grow up.

[WhiteGuy]

I just don't understand how this can be happening in America. This seems to be state-sanctioned homocide. What has become of us?

uhhhhhhhhhh................

compasionate conservatism?

[Jeff Head]

The fight is only over to save this woman when Terri is dead as far as I am concerned.

I have stated what I would do if I were in the same circumstances with one of my own. I pray someone there can get something done short of that...and if not that they will have the fortitude and moral clarity to do more and force the government's hand.

Unfortunately, that is what it is going to take IMHO.

That is what it took in Klamath.

[iowamomforfreedom]

"Has anything like this ever happened here?"

Visit freeper Marmema's homepage. Be prepared to be horrified.

[Cold Heat]

The resources are available, it's not rocket science to find her website.

At the risk of getting slammed by another one of you, I would like to point out how dangerous it is to rely on stories told by only one side of a issue.

[Don Joe]

The fight is only over to save this woman when Terri is dead as far as I am concerned.

I hesitated before posting what I posted, because I believe that the person who sent me the information is of the same mind.

There are times I am really leery of reading between the lines. I ask myself what I would say if the worst had happened. Well, turns out I very well might say what I was told above, given the broken heart as I said it.

I just don't know. I'll report back with any updates I get.

[Don Joe]

At the risk of getting slammed by another one of you, I would like to point out how dangerous it is to rely on stories told by only one side of a issue.

Gee, ya think maybe that might be why I aimed the guy at the other side? The side other than the one that's filled his head with mush?

Ya think?

[trustandobey]

anything?

[iowamomforfreedom]

"Well, then yes, let's assume, she knew what extraordinary efforts meant, and that definition includes forced feeding."

At the time Terri allegedly made this statement, it DID NOT include being fed through a tube.

It wasn't til 1999, due in part through the efforts of Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, that the law was passed to include feeding tubes as artificial life support.

[Jeff Head]

That is good advise...that is why I have spent several weeks looking at stories about this from both sides before I jumped into the frey.

Having said that, and having done my own reading...my own opinion is that this woman is being killed by the state in a manner that is unfit for an animal...and that it is being done for suspect reasoning and motives at the best.

Without compelling evidence (and I have seen none) that it was her own wish that the food be turned off under these specific types of conditions...and without a real medical effort being made to ascertain if that is still her desire (and I have seen no evidence that any impartial effort has been made to ascertain such information), then she should clearly not be killed...not starved and dehydrated to death

If there are those who will assume responsibility for her (and there are) and if there are those who do not want to continue to support her life (and there are apparently those as well), then those who will support her, particualrly her family, should receive the legal authority to do so and then everyone should move on.

That the husband is unwilling to do this only increases the suspect reasoning for his motives IMHO.

[Krodg]

Thank you for that wonderful post

[RightOnGOP]

Why would you hold the governor responsible for this?

Why would you not hold the husband who maimed her, with intent to kill, responsible?

Why would you not hold the judges who support the euthanasia/execution responsible?

Why would you not hold the district attorney who did not investigate her "collapse" because of real battery by her husband, responsible?

Blame them first, and leave Jeb alone. Replace them with law-abiding, life-loving Republicans OR Democrats, instead of the ones on the frontlines of this situation.

[Jeff Head]

As I have already stated...if it were me and one of my daughters, I would already have gone down there with family and friends, having discreetly planned it in advance...and eiother stopped the crime of violence being perpetrated against my daughter...or died trying.

At least then we could be reunited under God's care knowing we had been true to one another, true to clear moral principle and true to Him.

That is the type of thing we did in the Klamath Basin Water Crisis and it worked, thank God without bloodshed.

But that is me...they will have to make their own decisions and I pray God's blessing on their rightous desires and efforts to help and to save their daughter.

The husband has clearly, IMHO, made a different decisions for entirely different reasons.

Jeff

[MHGinTN]

You asked, "Why would you hold the governor responsible for this?" It could be that the other avenues in liberalized Flordiuh have been soured with malfeasance and corrupt persons, with failed judicial oversight (of the guardianship role of Michael schiavo and the states guardianship oversight role by Greer), with judges passing the buck rather than acting for justice and fulfilling the laws (it's a violation of law and the Florida Constitution to withhold basic sustenance from a disabled or elderly person), and now a woman is at death's door and the governor CAN act to save her without breaking the law but he is proving himself to be a feckless politician.