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Horowitz: (Columbus Day)"Protesters...only point fingers at white people"
CNSNews.com ^ | Oct 13,2003 | Marc Morano

Posted on 10/13/2003 9:28:38 AM PDT by yankeedame

Columbus' Critics Blamed for Pointing Fingers at Whites

Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - - On the day set aside to honor the famed explorer of the West Indies, Christopher Columbus is also the subject of protests across the country. But cultural critic David Horowitz has rallied to Columbus' defense.

Protesters who "only point fingers at white people" and allege that Columbus sparked the genocide of millions of Indians, ignore the fact that native populations visited by Columbus conducted their own forms of genocide.

Anti-Columbus demonstrations involve "the same people that celebrate Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Min, Chairman Mao and so forth," Horowitz told CNSNews.com . "And [they] are defending Saddam Hussein. This is ridiculous."

Horowitz is a former 1960s radical-turned-conservative and co-founder of the Los Angeles-based Center for the Study of the Popular Culture.

"It's easy to go throughout history and point fingers at people, but of course they only point fingers at white people," Horowitz said, referring to the anti-Columbus crowd.

Columbus' detractors have a selective view of history, according to Horowitz.

"These Indians were genocidal murderers. When do they protest the Aztec murders of virgins? They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year," Horowitz said.

Anti-Columbus protests were held recently on the campus of New York's Cornell University with students accusing the 15th century explorer of being responsible for the murder of more than 12 million Indians and participating in the Caribbean slave trade.

"Without taking a look at our human history, genocide could happen again," said Jason Corwin, media assistant for Cornell's film program, according to the student newspaper The Cornell Daily Sun .

Lloyd Elm, an American Indian studies professor at Cornell University, reportedly told the anti-Columbus rally that "traditional American schools sanitize information" and many students are led to believe that "the history of this great, great, country began in 1492."

The city of Denver, Colo., reportedly spent more than $100,000 on barricades and police overtime pay to prepare for any problems related to activities surrounding Columbus Day.

Horowitz conceded that European explorers of Columbus' time "were probably not too nice of people," but urged would-be protesters of Columbus Day to consider the historical context.

"White men gave to the Indians smallpox, the Indians gave us syphilis," Horowitz said, referring to an issue, the origin of syphilis, that many people still consider a historical dispute. You want to blame the Indians for all the deaths from syphilis in Europe for hundreds of years? I don't think so. You shouldn't blame these colonizers either," Horowitz said.

"It's racism and on the part of the whites, it's self-hatred taken to absurd heights," he added.

David Yeagley, an adjunct professor at Oklahoma University and a Comanche Indian, runs a website that bills itself as "the only voice of conservative American Indian thought." He called the anti-Columbus demonstrators "naive."

"If [the protestors] are trying to be historically accurate they would have to have a completely different message and that includes the history of Indians themselves -- the way we fought against each other with territorial disputes," Yeagley told CNSNews.com.

"I don't have a peacenik image of the American Indian. That is not my people and that is not the true history of Indian people in this country," Yeagley explained.

Yeagley's biggest concern, however, is the psychological impact that Christopher Columbus' critics are having on American Indians.

"It inhibits any Indian person, particularly any American Indian person, from starting out in life with a positive attitude. It puts you on the negative; it is the 'I have been wronged approach to life' even as you are born," Yeagley said.

American Indian youth may be the most vulnerable demographic in terms of accepting the idea that they are victims, according to Yeagley.

"I think that is just crippling to any kind of natural aspirations to young people. This is the most damaging thing that Indians can do to ourselves," he said.


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1 posted on 10/13/2003 9:28:39 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
"They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year," Horowitz said."

Prove it. Sources and or links please.

2 posted on 10/13/2003 9:30:33 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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3 posted on 10/13/2003 9:32:52 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: yankeedame
Yeah, it kind of pops the the Aztlan types' balloons when it is pointed out that most of them are descended from Mexican tribes enslaved by the murderous and racist Aztecs, and if not for Cortez's intervention, their ancestors would likely have had their hearts cut out on an altar, making it impossible for them be alive today to hold a protest, smoke weed, or vote for Cruz Bustamante.
4 posted on 10/13/2003 9:34:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: KantianBurke
I take it you find something suspicious about that statistic? ROFL.

That's only 219 virgins per day - even less during leap years!

Horowitz is great! ;-)

5 posted on 10/13/2003 9:35:56 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sé esta vieja calle. Puede ser muy peligroso.)
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To: KantianBurke
"They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year," Horowitz said."

Prove it. Sources and or links please.

It's pretty easy to prove since there aren't even 80,000 virgins left to kill.

6 posted on 10/13/2003 9:35:59 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: KantianBurke
Actually, here is http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm one source that mentions it, althoug it seems to be a one-time killing and not a yearly killing as stated:
Dedication of a temple in Tenochtitlan by Aztec king Ahuitzotl (ca. 1520): 80,000 human sacrifices. (PGtH)
7 posted on 10/13/2003 9:43:14 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: KantianBurke
"They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year," Horowitz said."

Prove it. Sources and or links please.
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I don't down about Horowitz but I can give you a couple of very good sources: Prescot's "The Conquest of Peru" and "The Conquest of Mexico". Neither book is a quick read, both books have lots of fine print, and lots and lots of pages, and next to zero illustrations. (And yes, I have read them both.)

And, remember, just because something is bad doesn't mean it's wrong.

8 posted on 10/13/2003 9:43:48 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Calm down, will you? I was just emphasizing a point.")
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To: yankeedame
read later
9 posted on 10/13/2003 9:45:18 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: yankeedame
"They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year,"

What the hell were they the suppliers for Muslim heaven... I knew they were in cahoots
10 posted on 10/13/2003 9:47:27 AM PDT by tophat9000
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To: Always Right
Actually, here is http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm one source that mentions it, althoug it seems to be a one-time killing and not a yearly killing as stated:
Dedication of a temple in Tenochtitlan by Aztec king Ahuitzotl (ca. 1520): 80,000 human sacrifices. (PGtH)
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That was a jubilee year or similar and the Aztecs killed that number via human sacrifice....Blood specked Aztec priets cutting the heart out as the sun rose in the sky. These were not virgins but captured warriors for the most part. I think 20,000 or so was the number for the average year. Mayans liked to drown virgins and had sacred pools for this purpose. My father showed me his tourist photograph of such taken in Yucatan
11 posted on 10/13/2003 9:49:05 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: KantianBurke
" The commonly mentioned figure of 20,000, however, is unreliable. For example, one sixteenth-century account states that 20,000 were sacrificed yearly in the capital city alone, another reports this as 20,000 infants, and a third claims the same number as being slaughtered throughout the Aztec empire on a single particular day. The most famous specific sacrifice took place in 1487 at the dedication of the main pyramid in Tenochtitlán. Here, too, figures vary: one source states 20,000, another 72,344, and several give 80,400."

I'm pretty sure it was 72,343 and 6 of those were lying about being virgins. [/sarcasm]


http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/aztecs/sacrifice.htm
12 posted on 10/13/2003 9:50:32 AM PDT by FormerlyAnotherLurker
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To: KantianBurke
"They used to kill 80,000 virgins a year," Horowitz said."

ACTUALLY it's a great line to bait the multi cultis with. Let them come up with the real numbers which are quite appalling in their own right. The Aztecs were the Hitler/3rd Reich of that era.

13 posted on 10/13/2003 9:52:15 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: yankeedame
Bernal Diaz's eyewitness account, The Conquest of New Spain, is available in English as a Penguin paperback and is a great read. The Aztecs were a small minority hated by most of the people they ruled over...some of whom were reluctant to side with Cortez until they thought the Spanish had a chance to win, but it was Mexican Indians who did most of the fighting and dying in the final capture of Tenochtitlan.

Some obvious parallels to the American invasion of Iraq (except that the Americans and British troops did most of the heavy lifting in 2003). The Aztecs were every bit as nasty to their subjects as the Baathists were to theirs.

14 posted on 10/13/2003 10:13:57 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: yankeedame
"It inhibits any Indian person, particularly any American Indian person, from starting out in life with a positive attitude. It puts you on the negative; it is the 'I have been wronged approach to life' even as you are born," Yeagley said.

That's the idea. The Democrats can't have a dependable voting base unless they have a pool of PVs (Perpetual Victims).

15 posted on 10/13/2003 10:21:20 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: Verginius Rufus
Right on target. The fact is, Hernan Cortez and his men were brave heroes who defeated thousands of enemies while they were only a few hundred.
16 posted on 10/13/2003 10:22:40 AM PDT by Norse
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To: Verginius Rufus
Right on target. The fact is, Hernan Cortez and his men were brave heroes who defeated thousands of enemies while they were only a few hundred.
17 posted on 10/13/2003 10:22:47 AM PDT by Norse
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To: yankeedame
We got tobacco smoking from the American Indians...
Payback for smallpox in spades...

Most Indian tribes preyed on each other like their bothers "the Wolves"... Women were not as valuable as horses.. the peaceful tribes were isolated and rare...

NO, life among the american indians was NOT like a "green peace" seminar.. it was more like a democrat political convention..

Democrat Party-->>If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.

18 posted on 10/13/2003 10:26:49 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: yankeedame
I read somewhere that some of the more violent native americans were cannibals?
19 posted on 10/13/2003 10:35:29 AM PDT by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: yankeedame
How many vigins are killed(aborted) by democrats and rinos each year in the U.S.,?...

My 50 year old fetus ugh... sister is a 7 month premmie !...

Wonder what God has planned for the U.S.?... The Aztecs did'nt fair too well... Whats the number 1,500,000 abotions this year ? ,,, Some abortions "may" be called for... BUT 1.5 million of them.?.. Its all or nothing for both sides of this issue... gridlock.. while the VIRGINS die... The Aztecs were pikers in the virgin killing game...

20 posted on 10/13/2003 10:44:59 AM PDT by hosepipe
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