Posted on 01/08/2016 12:27:17 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
My standard is simple: Will they keep the most important basic obligations of their oath of office. If that’s too tough, the problem isn’t with me.
By the way, “JC,” as you call Him, was subjected to one election, and the electorate said, “Give us Barabbas!”
I don’t mind debating fellow conservatives but it is pointless to attempt to debate liberals.
I try it sometimes on Facebook. They are totally delusional.
That sounds interesting but I couldn’t figure out what you mean.
Care to translate or am I too stupid to bother with?
“IF Hillary’s stinking political corpse actually gets dragged accross the primary finish line”
It won’t be. She will not be the democrat nominee for at least 3 reasons:
1. She’s a mess, physically
2. Everyone knows she’s corrupt and a surprisingly large number of women despise her
3. Her never ending legal problems
But you won’t know that until you know, will you?
So how can you say that Cruz has failed the basic test?
One clear and present clue to Hillary not running is Joe Biden dipping his ancient toe into the water and saying he regrets his decision not to run.
It’s where he stands vis a vis public policy, just like any candidate.
Holy Toledo! You sure have been on FR for a long time.
Checked up on me, huh?
Well, I don’t even know what my profile says anymore ... I was just a kid then. I should update it.
I joined the same day Jim established the forum in its present form. I found Him on a Whitewater thread on Drudge. Those were the days.
If you were up in the middle of the night, you would be ... is anybody here? Anybody want to talk?
I’m up in the middle of the night now because I live in Maui and it is 7 PM here but midnight in the EST.
....”Jonah Goldberg just said that watching Trump is like watching a monkey run around loose in NORAD”... lol.
Oh that’s funny....lolol....
I think it’s funny now ... maybe not so much a few weeks ago.
Where are all the Trump people? They must be worshipping on the appearance thread.
I picked up the whitewater chronicles (is that what it was called?) from Drudge also. I lurked for a while (honestly I was intimated by the erudition happening at the time; for a while I felt intellectually inferior) and finally signed up in 1998. The history here is incredible.
Not at all. Ping to Steve
Every election since Barry took office, the GOP/conservative base spends all the primaries bouncing back and forth between candidates. There arent that many of us that actually leave the echo chamber bubble and do our own actual research of candidates and their histories.
We spend over a year bashing the bejesus out of eachother based on rumor, innuendo and leftist horsesXit, and the candidates. Historically, we have eliminated the most conservative candidates because of the oft repeated words “He can’t win”.
Now there is no proof whatsoever in any election that a candidate that manages to make it to the leaderboard “cannot win”. It is 100% speculation and most often, a debate tactic to drive down support for that candidate and to pump up the person’s choice for office.
This has historically resulted in exactly one outcome. EVERY conservative in the running is eliminated, leaving the most liberal candidate/candidates for the final showdown.
At this point, the cries sound that “The Dem is worse”, Principle doesn’t matter”, X is a lesser evil”, we have to win no matter what” because “This is the most important election ever”.
Every single word above is not REMOTELY arguable because we all live through it every 2 years. Anyone wishing for concrete proof can simply look through every relevant thread on FR since Bush left office.
OK, Now to standing on principle.
When people are playing hopscotch with their new hotness of the moment, their positions are shifting wildly. We have all seen and well remember a mere year ago when Ted Cruz was the next Reagan. He was the golden child of FR.
Today he is literally called evil and I have personally had that told to me by a few posters.
Sarah Palin, likewise was the darling of FR. The vast majority of Freepers were in full support of her.
We then went through the PDS wars with screaming fits that her family was a bunch of drunks, attacks on her kids etc.
In the undercard, Freepers spend YEARS trashing people like Bhoner and Mitch and Ryan and Romney. And they trash them with legitimate criticisms based on their actions in office.
And then what happens in all cases? What happens each and every time the election comes around?
The right throws everything out the window. Lesser evil rules the day because winning is everything and what people win WITH does not make a tinker’s damn.
Then the ‘only guys that can win” usually win. And then they govern 100% leftist as we literally see with this congress, giving Barry everything he wants and then show voting to cover their pathetic asses.
But sometimes, like Mitt Romney, they are so utterly bad, they cannot beat a muslim jihadist that did 4 years of destruction.
I left him till last because he is unique. A candidate so utterly and openly leftist that his record in office mirrored Obamas. Mirrored it. Nor came randomly close. It mirrored it. Jim had that comparison posted for YEARS and there is no honest way it can be denied.
Here was a man that fathered gay marriage in America. Here was a man that fathered Obamacare. Here was a gun grabber. Here was a man that not only profited from abortion via Stericycle by BBQing the dismembered remains of aborted children, he did so taking advantage of the very laws he passed as governor.
And the right, who spent YEARS calling him satan, who fought diligently amongst themselves shredding their conservative alternatives until they dropped or were forced out, TURNED ON A DIME and screamed bloody murder to elect, trashing viciously anyone that stood up and said “No F’ing way I will elect”...the man accurately shown above.
WE were then called everything but white men and some trash us to this day.
Now. Take a look back through this entire book here. There is not one word of it false, exaggerated, misleading or a lie. Every word is supported by the very posts of Freepers themselves.
Every election ‘we’ abandon principle to elect whatever whim we have. Every election we don’t work to elect a conservative, which supposedly is why we are Freepers in the first place. Every year we drive the party further and further left by electing the only liberals our own actions guaranteed would be the only people standing. Every election we elect or try to elect those liberals.
And then after the election ends and the liberals we elected do exactly what their liberalism ensures, we cry the blues. No promises of feet being held to the fire materialize.
And do we learn our lesson? Of course not because NEVER AGAIN! and harumph and blah blah blah. Because as history has repeatedly shown, we do do it again every 2 years. Never is obviously a very short measurement for the modern ‘conservative.’
Now to wrap this up, and hopefully I clarified my original posting here; Considering all the above, all of it factual, all of it verifiable by our own words and actions here...
Are we a base that any principled and conservative candidate is going to look at and say “There are people I can count on to have my back?”
Probably not. So as I have said for years, the problem is self inflicted. The problem, is “US”. Because Democrats are not the people filling the GOP with garbage. We are. And if we actually wanted conservatism...if we actually wanted conservative candidates in power governing us...then why exactly have we done everything we possibly can to insure none will be elected and very very few will run to begin with?
Is the Dem worse? The facts show they are no more damaging to America than a liberal Republican. The entire adventure into lesser evil is a disaster and we really need to accept it. And stop making the same mistake like it was Groundhog day.
Trump is a very passionate and animated figure who will naturally attract those like him, or those who wish they could be like him....When you add in his theatrical ability, skill at manipulation, both people and the media, and using buzz words repeatedly they want to hear....well it’s the only way this can play out as it is......for a time.
Much of Trumps strategy is to keep the media coverage focused on himself, good or bad, creating various sensational bites he knows they’ll run to like flies to honey. This way the “money” of the opposing candidates runs out, not only can they not go the distance then but they aren’t heard either..., if they bark at him he bites and forces ‘the real issues off the table’ while he plays victim to his supporters.... it works....for now...it’s all drama and “Magical” appeal of Celebrity Trump...and oddly the audiance identifies with him, not because he’s like them...rather He’s what they wish they could be.
Thanks a lot. What you say is true. I hope it is not inevitable.
You should not have been intimidated but you came on board really early.
Free Republic indeed has a storied history.
So many things were exposed here back when no one else was looking. The Dan Rather thing to name one.
We’ve tried liberal Republicans like Romney, and McCain, time for a CONSERVATIVE Republican, like Ted Cruz. Plus, it’s the RIGHT thing to do.
Too many stayed home. Some Christians and conservatives did too.
People on our side can’t stay home like they did the last two election cycles. I doubt it will der Hildebeast we will have to beat. She will be indicted. Take that to the bank.
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