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Is the Tea Party just a pressure release valve?
Nolan Chart ^ | December 15, 2013 | Mark Vogl

Posted on 12/15/2013 4:06:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Ray76

I so not neccessarily disagree, but a party is a pre-made vehicle as well as a collection of politicians and adherents. As a vehicle it should not be left un-attended.

One of the points the article alludes to is that the Tea Party is not a “party” with registered voters a d full slate of candidates and the like. Until it becomes such it is not a party that has the access to the ballot box needed to take victories.


21 posted on 12/15/2013 5:11:42 PM PST by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: ifinnegan

So you don’t believe that a certain class of people are at the top of the pyramid and control most cultures?


22 posted on 12/15/2013 5:20:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: freedumb2003

T(taxed) E(enough) A (already)

This is the original rally cry for the tea party.


23 posted on 12/15/2013 5:23:03 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A group of elites is central to progressivism going back to at least Wilson. George Creel outright said the world needs to be run by a group of elites but the people must feel like they’re in charge.


24 posted on 12/15/2013 5:25:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My mistake. It wasn't George Creel but his contemporary and co propagandist Walter Lippman.

Early on Lippmann said the "bewildered herd," his way of referring to the masses, must be governed by “a specialized class whose interests reach beyond the locality." This class is composed of experts, specialists and bureaucrats. The experts, who often are referred to as "elites," were to be a machinery of knowledge that circumvents the primary defect of democracy, the impossible ideal of the "omnicompetent citizen".
25 posted on 12/15/2013 5:33:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“So you don’t believe that a certain class of people are at the top of the pyramid and control most cultures?”

Not really.

That’s rather vague as well. I certainly think there are people or groups with too much influence.


26 posted on 12/15/2013 5:37:09 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“So you don’t believe that a certain class of people are at the top of the pyramid and control most cultures?”

Not really.

That’s rather vague as well. I certainly think there are people or groups with too much influence.


27 posted on 12/15/2013 5:37:12 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: cripplecreek

>>. They elected a fair number of congressmen but were most effective in attracting disaffected Whigs and Democrats into a new party (Republicans).<<

Maybe we should bring the Whig party back into existence as a name for the fledgling Constitution Party.

The name has no inherent meaning or shade as Republican, Democrat or Libertarian.

Maybe we can co-opt it?


28 posted on 12/15/2013 5:38:03 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>So you don’t believe that a certain class of people are at the top of the pyramid and control most cultures?<<

Those of us up there really don’t like to talk about it too much...


29 posted on 12/15/2013 5:38:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Come 2014 people will see the power of the Tea Party.


30 posted on 12/15/2013 5:54:22 PM PST by plainshame
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party’s strength is that it is *not* a hierarchical organization.

The rules of hierarchical organizations are well known, as are the techniques to destroy them, from both within (subversion) and without. But non-hierarchical organizations are “Teflon”. There is no way for a hierarchical organization to attack them, or even interface with them.

But this does not mean that the Tea Party cannot function, and function powerfully enough to kick seven bells out of hierarchical organizations.

In practical terms, the Democrats and the Republican party hierarchy are terribly frustrated by the Tea Party, since they are unable to co-opt it to their purposes, neutralize it, take out its “leaders”, destroy its donor base, anything.

Everything you complain of comes from your knowledge of hierarchical organizations. If you just accept the idea that the Tea Party is not such an organization, you can either get frustrated that it makes no sense to you; or you can be part of it. As long as you do not try to craft it into what it is not.

Politically, the Tea Party is doing everything right. It is selectively eroding the liberal Republican leadership, to the point where conservatives will take over the party; and unencumbered by the millstone of treacherous RINOs around its neck, the battle against Democrats will be much easier.


31 posted on 12/15/2013 6:02:50 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: ifinnegan

I worked in both intelligence and presidential politics. You can take it from me, there is an elite. They’re not all specifically “evil” though. I liked General Haig and his wife, got a kick out of Robert Novak and knew many other fine high-level people.


32 posted on 12/15/2013 6:02:52 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (A courageous man finds a way, an ordinary man finds an excuse.)
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To: freedumb2003

The Whig Party is back. Conservative fiscally, liberal socially.


33 posted on 12/15/2013 6:14:41 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Ben Carson/Rand Paul or Sara/Nikki in 2016)
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To: 88keys

Compromise is not an option when it comes to historically reckless spending that harms our lives and the lives of future generations by setting up our currency for massive devaluation.

Compromise is not an option when it comes to allowing marriage to be perverted, allowing homosexual perversion to be normalized and allowing murder in the womb to be continued without conscience thereby devaluing life and promoting offshoot principles in euthanasia.

Compromise is not an option when it comes to our federal government telling us what we must purchase based on nothing more than the fact that we are alive and that we exist.

Compromise is not an option when government seeks to take away our weapons making it easier for people that have attained control of government offices to impose their will upon us with impunity and without limitations.

Compromise is not an option when government teaches our children ideology that runs in direct opposition to our traditions.

Compromise is what has landed us where we are today with a government that is involved in every facet of our lives and that has debauched our currency and brought us to the edge of economic collapse.

The Tea Party is not a pressure relief valve. It is a pressure cooker that is in its formative stages as a new political movement. It is in a struggle to take the reins of the republican party and it will prevail because it is based on truth and God.


34 posted on 12/15/2013 6:16:05 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just take a look at the board of the International Crisis Group and the things they’ve been involved in.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx

Their filthy little fingers are in everything from the “urgent” need to track down Joseph Kony, to trying to get former board member Mohammad Elbaredai installed as president of Egypt.


35 posted on 12/15/2013 6:27:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: servantboy777
T(taxed) E(enough) A (already) This is the original rally cry for the tea party.

The problem with this "rally cry" is that half the country isn't taxed at all, and we down-and-dirty conservatives will need at least some of their votes if we are to gain any political standing. The non-taxed will have to be mentored to gain a belief in the desirability of engaging in worthwhile, and therefore taxable, economic activity.

36 posted on 12/15/2013 6:56:49 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: chajin

I think the GOP should put entitlements on the back burner for a while and go after the job killing regulators. Once we start seeing real job creation we can go back to whittling away at the entitlements. Entitlements are a democrat trap made even stickier in a bad economy.

I also think tea partiers should be pointing out the chamber of commerce attack on the tea party to liberals. The chamber knows that tea partiers present a threat to crony capitalism, corporate welfare and bailouts. We should use it to show liberals that tea partiers are better on that score than either party.

Rand Paul’s economic ideas for Detroit and other economically depressed areas is good too. I’d like to see it nationwide for all but we should support it for depressed areas to prove that fiscal conservatism works.


37 posted on 12/15/2013 7:10:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess it’s sort of like the Constituiton,it used to carry weight and authority,but no more.
Or maybe like the Constitution,it’s more an idea,no phone number for that,just embeded in the psyche.


38 posted on 12/16/2013 3:47:06 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Party is a movement, it underwrites candidate....It needs a new name, because it isn’t a party at all, it is a way of political life. It’s kind of like the opposite of Marxism.


39 posted on 12/16/2013 4:02:21 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Darren McCarty

>>Because VOTERS do not allow third parties to be anything but spoilers. Third parties always failed, fail now, and fail in the future.

While I cannot say I have been particularly active in TEA Party undertakings, I did attend the first TEA Party National Convention in Nashville at the Opryland Hotel in February 2010. I saw Sarah Palin and Andrew Breitbart speak, among others.

In talking with others at the event, one thing we were virtually all in agreement on was that we did NOT want to form a 3rd party. Most of the folks there were old enough to have seen where that led, with Perot and others.

Instead, we saw it as obvious that the Republican Party was where we needed to focus our efforts, as they gave at least some lip service to fiscal sanity.


40 posted on 12/16/2013 4:16:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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