[Southack]

"This is all elementary and well understood. Attempting to apply it to the Sun merely shows that you have no understanding of the initial answer: that General Relativty has been shown to completely and fully "null out" the aberration of gravity."

Nonsense. Claiming something doesn't simply make it so.

We know that it takes Light 500 seconds to reach the Earth from the Sun.

The paltry few GR claims regarding Gravity simply state that it is presumed that Gravity travels at Light speed.

Yet if those claims were true, then we would experience an 8.3 minute delay in time from which Gravity left the Sun to reach the Earth.

That delay would permit the Sun to travel 178,000 miles in those 8.3 minutes.

That would mean that the Earth's orbital plane would be centered *not* on the actual location of the Sun, but rather on the location of the Sun from 8.3 minutes back in time, a measurable difference of 178,000 miles.

Yet we do NOT see the orbital plane of the Earth to be mis-centered 178,000 miles away from the Sun's center of mass.

What would explain that observation?

There are two potentially acceptable answers (you are welcome to add a third if you can):

1. The Sun isn't moving relative to *anything*

or

2. Gravity travels so fast that the Sun hasn't moved any significant distance by the time Gravity travels from the Sun to the Earth.

[boris]

"That delay would permit the Sun to travel 178,000 miles in those 8.3 minutes.

That would mean that the Earth's orbital plane would be centered *not* on the actual location of the Sun, but rather on the location of the Sun from 8.3 minutes back in time, a measurable difference of 178,000 miles."

Tiresome and tendentious. Loudly asserting Newtonian physics in a non-Newtonian situation proves only your ignorance.

--Boris