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hey, i made a comment early on, and got flamed, now its a matter of respect that these people dont get. you understood my initial point, and its clear that there is no conflict between us. people like calico and shelion just opened up on me from the get-go and i had to deffend myself from there beligerant behavior. i can just sum up my logic right here.

A political body announced a bill i have no problems with, and in some ways, support. i do not support governmental Big Brother stuff, just this particular bill. i do not appreciate smoking, or people who do not respect others by smoking in doorways/entrances; which guarantees that i must walk through the way and not say a thing because they have that right. in the mean time, everytime i walk in/out of a mall, i must hold my breath for several seconds while walking because smoke makes me gag. i dont think the government should have complete control over us, but some control is what its there for. why do we have them if not to keep a standard and protect us? we control it by our votes and money. you dont like the bill? organize a group to debate it to the policy makers in the area. its that simple.

p.s. to whomever wrote back at me about smoking and cars. smoking does cheapen vehicles, i work with car dealers almost once a month. it does cost more money, and actually, the person who associated it with NASCAR forgot that in NASCAR, they get paid, and not as many people die each year to car wrecks (pro) as do smokers.

i do not support governmental Big Brother stuff, just this particular bill.

This particular bill IS Big Brother telling the business owner what they may, and may not, allow on thier property that is legal to indulge in.

the person who associated it with NASCAR forgot that in NASCAR, they get paid, and not as many people die each year to car wrecks (pro) as do smokers.

That would have been me. I wasn't talking about only NASCAR. What about the weekend racers that spend their own money on their cars and don't get paid unless they place?
And are you sure that less race car drivers get hurt, TOTAL, per capita wise than smokers?

When you generalize about a group of people you do ALL people a disservice. There may be smokers that are as you described but I would think that most of the smokers on this forum are not. And when you generalize about smokers, we have been stignatized to the point that we lash out almost reflexively.