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New Frontier in Random Drug Testing: Checking High Schoolers for Tobacco
Associated Press ^ | Oct. 7, 2002 | Greg Giuffrida

Posted on 10/08/2002 4:35:09 AM PDT by Wolfie

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To: Roscoe
how does one distinguish (and thereby verify the existence of) a sincere opponent of anti-drug laws from a "pro-doper" with a hidden agenda?

Observation.

So you recognize the possibility of sincere opposition to anti-drug laws, not motivated by the desire to use drugs? That would be a start.

101 posted on 10/08/2002 11:51:22 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Raw data requires interpretation.

Paint by the numbers reductionism.

102 posted on 10/08/2002 11:52:03 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Roe v. Wade invented a "Constitional right" to commit abortions out of thin air. The contention that there is a "Constitutional right" to manufacture, sell and use illicit drugs invents such a "right" out of smoke.

Apples and oranges. The former "right" is wielded against state sovereignty; the latter right is (usually) not. (The latter is also firmly grounded in the plain text of the Constitution, unlike the former.)

103 posted on 10/08/2002 11:53:32 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: freeeee
Even if the federal Constitution would allow the states to retain their powers to prohibit all that is not specifically permitted, free states do not function that way.

Free states have prohibitions on illicit drugs. All fifty states.

104 posted on 10/08/2002 11:55:06 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Raw data requires interpretation.

Paint by the numbers reductionism.

Nonsense.

re·duc·tion·ism
n.
An attempt or tendency to explain a complex set of facts, entities, phenomena, or structures by another, simpler set: “For the last 400 years science has advanced by reductionism... The idea is that you could understand the world, all of nature, by examining smaller and smaller pieces of it. When assembled, the small pieces would explain the whole” (John Holland).

105 posted on 10/08/2002 11:56:36 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
The former "right" is wielded against state sovereignty

Distortion. Roe v. Wade limits state or federal restrictions on abortion, based on an invented "Constitutional right."

106 posted on 10/08/2002 11:57:10 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
The former "right" is wielded against state sovereignty

Distortion. Roe v. Wade limits state or federal restrictions on abortion, based on an invented "Constitutional right."

I have no idea why you think you're disagreeing with me.

107 posted on 10/08/2002 11:58:49 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: Roscoe
Free states have prohibitions on illicit drugs. All fifty states.

If their state constitutions allow that, then I don't question the constitutional legitimacy of those state laws.

However some states are attempting to change their position. Predictably, the fed is ignoring the states 10th Amendment prerogative to do so.

The fed needs an amendment to pass such laws for the states, as it did with alcohol. But that all changed with FDR's commerce clause. Not that you mind...

108 posted on 10/08/2002 11:59:52 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: MrLeRoy
Unsupported falsehoods repeated endlessly don't support claims of sincerity, except perhaps for zealots.
109 posted on 10/08/2002 12:00:29 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: freeeee
If their state constitutions allow that

Backwards. State constitutions act to limit state powers.

110 posted on 10/08/2002 12:02:12 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Me: "If their state constitutions allow that"

You: "State constitutions act to limit state powers."

Reading comprehension problems, Roscoe?

111 posted on 10/08/2002 12:04:16 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Roscoe
Unsupported falsehoods repeated endlessly don't support claims of sincerity, except perhaps for zealots.

So the honest thing for you to say would be "the 'pro-dope' contingent on FR are either zealots or are not honest about their agenda." Why did you exclude the former possibility?

112 posted on 10/08/2002 12:04:22 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: freeeee
Reading comprehension problems, Roscoe?

Evidently; see post 107. Maybe Roscoe is an argue-bot?

113 posted on 10/08/2002 12:05:59 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: Wolfie
None. The Supreme Court has ruled as such. I'm not sure what the "violating kid's rights" crowd is getting at. Maybe they missed last year's case.

The courts have also ruled again and again that the second ammendment does not apply to an individuals right to own firearms. Guess the gun grabbers aint violating any rights either?

So much for rights given to us by God, i guess their granted to us by the whims of politicians now.

114 posted on 10/08/2002 12:09:04 PM PDT by chudogg
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To: MrLeRoy
So the honest thing for you to say would be "the 'pro-dope' contingent on FR are either zealots or are not honest about their agenda."

More reductionism. Some zealots are knowingly dishonest.

115 posted on 10/08/2002 12:09:08 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Exeter

"Elsewhere around the country, schools in Blackford County, Ind., test for tobacco use in...students who take driver's education or apply for parking permits."

Oh yeh, I sure wouldn't want to park next to someone who was high on Virginia Slims...

Well, here there may be a justification. If the driver/smoker is not a competent smoker, then they could be distracted by hanging ash or dropping their cigarette, and while distracted, plow madly through the parking lot...

(rolls eyes) I'm being kind in calling it a thought process...

116 posted on 10/08/2002 12:09:36 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: freeeee
If their state constitutions allow that

Silence alone is sufficient.

117 posted on 10/08/2002 12:10:43 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Some zealots are knowingly dishonest.

Do you think all those opposed to affirmative action are racists?

It's the same with the WoD.

118 posted on 10/08/2002 12:12:59 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Roscoe
Silence alone is sufficient.

What does this mean?

119 posted on 10/08/2002 12:14:10 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
Do you think all those opposed to affirmative action are racists? It's the same with the WoD.

Your equating "affirmative action" with restrictions on illicit drugs?

120 posted on 10/08/2002 12:15:38 PM PDT by Roscoe
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