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To: .30Carbine
I am a Christian. I smoke. Others will just have to work this out for themselves.

Ditto....and bingo!
However, I remain less concerned about the church trouncing our civil liberties than I do about the usual cast of socialist/liberal/neo-facist dimocrats. Seems that most of the "tobacco-nazi" antics are traceable back to them (dims).

24 posted on 09/19/2002 3:09:41 PM PDT by TheGrimReaper
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To: TheGrimReaper
However, I remain less concerned about the church trouncing our civil liberties than I do about the usual cast of socialist/liberal/neo-facist dimocrats.

I think it's a combination of the two. While most lefties are pretty secular, they maintain a background of "cultural christianity" -- that is, their worldview is still basically Christian. As such they ignore the heart of the gospel, and focus on "being good" or (even worse) being "nice". That allows them to meddle in society and claim the moral highground, while still ignoring the truth of the Gospel.

Of course, real Christians seduced by this social gospel are even worse. Not only do they meddle in social engineering, but they do that at the expense of their own witness. That's not necessarily a sin, or evil, but it sure is poor stewardship.
29 posted on 09/20/2002 5:21:47 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: TheGrimReaper; Nuke'm Glowing
...the usual cast of socialist/liberal/neo-facist dimocrats. Seems that most of the "tobacco-nazi" antics are traceable back to them (dims).

Jesus quoted Isaiah when he said, "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'....Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'...."

It seems Jesus was speaking directly to the Clinton Democrats with this one.
{/understatement}

32 posted on 09/21/2002 3:18:11 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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