Skip to comments.The "Lost" Thirteenth Amendment
Posted on 08/18/2002 5:32:42 AM PDT by Suzie_Cue
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A minor point: It's not in the Constitution.
Another minor point : Even if/when any person can prove the process was not followed correctly, the lawyers in government (including judges) simply rule that it was intended. If someone proved beyond doubt that the income tax of today is unconstitutional and illegal, I have no doubt that the courts would nonetheless order its enforcement "because of national security". This applies as well to any that would cause loss of bereaucratic authority . Those that gain power NEVER willingly give it up.
Then it must be TAKEN from them.
Prove it. Please disprove the premise of the post.
There is no reason to argue with psychos who believe this stuff, they are all going to the same part of hell that Matthews is in.
Why have some people thought the 13th Amendment is about attorneys?
The has been some debate in the past as to the usage of the term "Esquire", still used by many attorneys today. Originally, there was no Bar Association in the United States, and those attorneys who were members of a Bar Association at all belonged to the Bar Association in Great Britain. If "Esquire" was considered to be a "title of nobility" as prohibited by the Constitution of the United States, then these people would be in violation of American law, and under the 13th Amendment, would lose their citizenship. We have since found that many of the participants in the ratification of the 13th Amendment used the term "Esquire" themselves, and sometimes right in the official correspondence pertaining to the ratification of the 13th Amendment itself. Therefore, if that particular affectation was thought by some to come under the prohibitions against titles of nobility, then it certainly wasn't seen that way by the gentlemen who wrote, supported, and actually ratified the amendment themselves.
I am humoring you by talking about an Amendment that does not even exist. Hmm, what does that say about me? Me thinks I should stick to trying to disabuse people about real problems in government.
My, are we going to CENSOR what we don't agree with??
I just love Amerikans like you who believe in Free Speech and Discussion.
Does the 1st read "You have the right of free speech just as long as you are not dumb enough to use it"??
Sorry, if Free Republic gets to be known as a site that endorses cop-killing, I can't afford to be a member. Timothy McVeigh fans are hazardous to a Websites health!
Someone needs to tell these people the difference between a title and an affectation.
I'm not a lawyer, but in my casual reading of the article:
In fact, the 13th Amendment makes it very clear that any person within the ranks of government holding public office, found to have a title of nobility or to be accepting 'honors' must lose his position and FORFEIT HIS CITIZENSHIP to the United States
it seems the intent was to prevent lawyers and others in power in government from being influenced by favors from leaders in other governments, particularly England.
If I recall my history correctly:
Maryland 12- 25-1810
New Jersey 2-13-1811
North Carolina 12-23-1811
New Hampshire 12-10-1812
We were at war with England at this time (1812), and emotions were running high. I'm reading the John Adams book, and I know that jealousies and animosities ran high against the US long after we set down our arms against the Brits.
My reading of the situation is that some in government for some reason felt that anyone accepting priveliges from a foreign concern needed to be treated as a traitor.
Isn't that what we all said about Clinton, and his dealings with the Chinese and James Riady?
He won a Golden Globe Award for Hollywood Citizenship in 1957. I *knew* he was a Globalist/Trilat/Mason/Bilderberger all along.
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