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To: DoughtyOne
Just to be clear, I don't care what the percentages of races are, I'm concerned about the fact so many don't want to assimilate into the American culture.

I think the movie was pretty fair in how it portrayed the "melting pot" was no longer melting together, and that the political correctness of diversity had created a divisive balkanized nightmare with all the individual ethnic enclaves battling for political power and dominance of their cultures.

Some of the perspectives included:
1. The infrastructure was completely breaking down due the huge influx of immigrants;
2. States rights v. federal jurisdiction;
3. Ordinary citizens fed up with the destruction of our standard of living;
4. The compassion we should continue to show the poor of the World;
5. The almost rabid position of the pro-immigrant group;
6. The wrongful influence of modern media on occuring events:
7. The foolish actions by all the politicians involved;
8. The militia/separatist and other hateful groups;
9. The question of American military fighting its own;
10. The inherent racism (or preference to culture) that's in all of us.

Other than the farcical portrayal of the main characters, I found it deeply unsettling. I was surprised I never heard of this movie, and even more suprised that someone would produce it. It represented in detail what many have been warning about for years. I fear that someday this little movie may be seen as prophecy, even with the dramatic license it incorporated.

movie title: The Second Civil War (produced in 1997)

20 posted on 08/11/2002 3:44:20 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet
Thanks. That was a good breakdown on the explanation.

I'll address the issue of preference of race, because I think it's an area where some confusion exists.

As for coming into contact with people of different races, I actually enjoy it. I have met and liked blacks, hispanics, Russians, Asians, Israelis, Arabs, British, Italian, Irish, European... look, I like all people. But when I come down to it, I like all people in small doses.

I like the idea that the United States always has some people coming into our nation from other nations. As long as that number is reasonable about 0.5 to 1.0% per year, and they don't all congregate in the same area of one town, I'm for it.

Immigrants should be managed. You come here and you blend in. You come here and you do not set up a little "whatever" (a little bit'o'heaven) that's essentially a new pocket of a foreign nation within our own. Disburse the 25,000 new immigrants from Italy this year, in a number of states.

I don't really say this out of dislike for Italians. I just don't think two cities in our nation should suddenly have 12,500 Italians show up within 12 monts, followed by 12,500 more the next year and the next. I don't care if it's Italians, Mexicans, Columbians, Brits or people from the African continent. Bring em on, just don't flood one area with them.

Now, I believe that there should be a nation for every race. I think it's just great that black Africans have their own nations. They should. They should be proud of them and turn them into something wonderful. They have a very human right to surround themselves with people just like themselves. And you know what, my life would be less enjoyable, less fulfilled if I didn't come into contact with some people form that nation. I support that. It makes me angry when people act like they don't want to have blacks or any other race around. On the other hand, if I think it is right for black Africans to have self-determination to chose what is best for black Africans, then it is only reasonable that I should think it proper to have a nation filled with whites, that can determine what best works for them. And no I'm not talking exclusivity, or segregation at all. I have absolutely no problem with having neighbors of any race.

I never realized what having people who look like me around meant to me until I took a trip to Chicago about four years ago. My wife and I took the subway out to Wrigley Field. About half way through the game something dawned on me. That day as I looked around, it seemed like there were nobody there but whites. The people sitting all around us were middle class folks just like me who had left work early and were enjoying the game.

When I go do Dodger stadium anymore, I feel like I'm not in just another nation, I feel like I'm at the United Nations. What is up with this?

I try to assess if perhaps I am a closet racist, but I don't think that I am. I do not think that I should have to feel guilty for desiring to live in a nation with folks that look like me. I'm not saying everyone has to look like me. I'm just saying that the way things are headed, in the very near future, there is not going to be a nation on earth where whites will have majority rule.

Is that a good thing? If it is a goog thing, then it's totally my problem and something I need to work on. But if I am right in feeling that there should be a nation or two on earth with white majority rule, isn't it time we started doing some assessment?

I would NEVER think of telling Mexicans that they should not have their own nation, and have the right to majority rule within it. I would never support the idea of managing the African continent so that there would not be a single black majority rule nation there. That would be genocidal to my way of thinking. Why then is it wrong for me to simply want to live in a nation that has many citizens that came from all nations, but that I am still a part of the majority race, and can experience self-rule?

Perhaps I'm a closet racist. Perhaps it is best if self-determination for whites ceases to exist this century. Perhaps I'll live to celebrate that eventuality even as Bill Clinton and Gray Davis celebrated when white majority rule ended in California. Perhaps it is a good thing for the race that gave the world it's greatest accomplishments to agree to fade away. I guess I just haven't progressed enough to have reached that level of conciousness yet. In truth, I doubt I ever will.

I don't think I'll ever hate the people of any race. I don't work that way. I just wonder what my race did that they should be denied what they have allowed for every other race, self-determination.

23 posted on 08/11/2002 7:46:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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