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So what's your point? How does this in any way detract from the fact that smoking related illnesses cause millions of painful and unneccessary deaths every single year?

So what's your point? How does this in any way detract from the fact that smoking related illnesses cause millions of painful and unneccessary deaths every single year?

Cripes!!! You just went from the fatuous to the fallacious in one fell swoop.

How does this in any way detract from the fact that smoking related illnesses cause millions of painful and unneccessary deaths every single year?

You seem to be mixing apples and oranges here. Lots of things cause painful and unneccessary deaths every year. There is a difference between relational and causational - they are not interchangeable. As to "millions" I would love to see the credible proof of this alleged "fact." Even the CDC, with their overinflated computer generated guesstimate numbers, only claims in the range of 400,000 per annum.

I have a hard time accepting your condemnation of much of what has been presented in this thread. The information is very credible. And much of the flaming you received, I'm sorry to say, was deserved.

You were asked some very valid questions, to which you conveniently kept silent. Including one in reference to smoking being the only possible cause of a young person's impending deat due to lung cancer. You appear to be of the opinion that this person would not have gotten lung cancer had he not chosen to smoke. I do not believe for one minute that you truly believe that, I believe you made that comment just to get a rise out of the others and you succeeded.

I honestly think that if you were to take a step back from your anti-smoker stance for a moment and paid attention to what some folks are saying you would realize that that the positions of you vs. the smokers are not very far apart. I say the same to the smokers.

Your contention you do not agree with the legislative methodolgy of dealing with smoking got lost in the flame war because of the attitude of an anti-smoker with which you began. Far too many of us that post on these threads have been dealing with abuse from anti-smokers for years, both on the internet and in real life. Many of us are fed up with it.

But as was pointed out to you several times - this is not about smoking - it is about the nanny-state creeping into our lives, it's about adults being permitted to make their own decisions for themselves, it is about protecting pivate property rights - but above all it is about protecting freedom and liberty.