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I once heard a cop say he should have every right to search my home any time he pleases. If I have nothing to hide, then I should have nothing to fear.

I'll give him credit for this much: Perfectly summarizing the philosophy of the police state.

1 posted on 08/04/2002 9:31:38 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
Jefferson didn't replace 'property' with 'pursuit of happiness.' Jefferson wrote 'property' then Franklin, I think, changed it to 'pursuit of happiness' crossing out property.
2 posted on 08/04/2002 9:33:54 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: thinktwice
Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.
You must sacrifice your property and labor to my vision of the greater good and fairness.
3 posted on 08/04/2002 9:58:59 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: thinktwice
bump
5 posted on 08/04/2002 10:46:43 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: thinktwice
Bumping for a thorough read! I can't wait.
7 posted on 08/04/2002 11:11:12 AM PDT by AuntB
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:+:+:If one pays-off their mortgage on a property, why are they only allowed to possess the property deed and never see ownership of the land title?:+:+:
8 posted on 08/04/2002 11:16:36 AM PDT by Sara Of Earth †
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To: thinktwice
Great, great, great article. We all need to read this again and again.
11 posted on 08/04/2002 3:32:32 PM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: thinktwice
Alexander Hamilton: "A power over a man's subsistence amounts to a power over his will. Property must be sacred or liberty cannot exist."

James Madison: "Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions", and:

John Adams: "[t]he moment that idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the Laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.

Daniel Webster: "No other rights are safe where property is not safe."

As we know, early American common law descended from English common law. What did the English think of private property?

Magna Carta: No Freeman shall be taken, or imprisoned, or be disseised [deprived wrongfully of real property] of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful Judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. 1297

John Locke: "The great chief end therefore, of Mens uniting into Commonwealths, and putting themselves under Government, is the Preservation of their Property." He also said, "Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience..." --2nd Treatise of Government, 1690 the principal absolute rights which appertain to every Englishman,"

William Blackstone: The principal absolute rights which appertain to every Englishman [are] personal security, personal liberty, and private property.

13 posted on 08/04/2002 3:51:56 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: thinktwice; *puff_list
This is a MUST READ folks - it is EXACTLY what we have been talking about for years.
16 posted on 08/04/2002 4:21:51 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You might like this one.
20 posted on 08/05/2002 2:37:32 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: thinktwice
There are plenty of self-styled conservatives who view property rights as an obstacle to progress or patriotism or to a "well-ordered" society. I once heard a cop say he should have every right to search my home any time he pleases. If I have nothing to hide, then I should have nothing to fear.

Yeah.
And, that cop's been posting a lot on FR too.

21 posted on 08/05/2002 4:30:31 AM PDT by ppaul
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ping
22 posted on 08/05/2002 7:51:27 AM PDT by madfly
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There is only so much property. What happens when you want to own private property but it's all owned by others?
27 posted on 08/05/2002 9:29:37 AM PDT by Consort
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Stretching the "purfuit of happineff" to cover private property pertaining to real estate is murky. The controlling Amendments are the 4th and 5th, and the other basis is the 8th Commandment of Mosaic Law. All implied, nothing explicit.

Take such a murky concept and further subdivide it into public property and private property, and there is the second degree of murkiness -- murkiness to a murky power.

This is the absolute source of debate in the world and such poor definition cannot lead anywhere than continued chaos in law and in government. Civilizations rise and fall because of this, and always will.

29 posted on 08/05/2002 9:32:17 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: thinktwice
Exactly. And that is the basic premise behind probable cause. If you have nothing to hide, then why do they need to search?
43 posted on 08/05/2002 4:26:32 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: thinktwice; Eustace
I just got Claire Wolfe and Aaron Zelman's(wow, a gentile and a Jew joining forces-I Love It!) new book, "The State Vs. The People" and they have a very nice "mission statement" of the Single Core Philosophy of a Police State.

Advocates of a police state believe that anything not under government control is,
by definition, out of control.

I think you can see this expressed repeatedly by our resident statists and in the remark of that cop.

You all take care,
CATO

45 posted on 08/05/2002 8:35:50 PM PDT by Cato
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BRAVO!!! Love that OC Register! Thanks for this!
47 posted on 08/05/2002 8:45:06 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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If it's my flag on my property then I can burn it if I darn well please.

Substittute "dog" or "child" for "flag" to see ow ridiculous this statement is.

48 posted on 08/05/2002 11:17:22 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: thinktwice; JohnHuang2; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; ...
A most excellent thread; thanks for finding it.

Ping for reference and dissemination.

51 posted on 08/06/2002 3:24:40 AM PDT by brityank
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The American public can easily grasp the constitutional concepts of "free speech," or "free exercise of religion," or the "right to peaceably assemble." By contrast, the phrase "property rights" doesn't have the same cachet - it just lies there like some arcane principle that must be debated by lawyers before we know what it really means.

With all due respect to Mr. Greenhut
free speech
Free speech for me, but not for thee, seems to be the dominate philosophy on most university campuses

free exercise of religion
A federal court jury has awarded more than $78,000, including $60,000 in punitive damages, to two Minnesota prison employees who were reprimanded for reading Bibles during mandatory staff training on gays and lesbians. After a three-day trial in U.S. District Court in St. Paul, a nine-member jury found unanimously late Thursday that the state Department of Corrections had discriminated against Thomas Altman and Ken Yackly on the basis of their religion and violated their rights to free speech and equal protection. Altman, a prison painter, and guards Yackly and Kristen Larson attended the training session at the Shakopee women's prison in 1997 although they considered it "state-sponsored propaganda" promoting homosexuality, according to their lawyers from the public-interest American Center for Law and Justice of Virginia Beach, Va. The employees read their Bibles during the training as a silent protest and later were reprimanded for "inappropriate and unprofessional conduct." Subsequently, Altman received a negative job review and Larson and Yackly were passed over for promotion. "When the state of Minnesota tried to force these employees to change their beliefs about homosexuality, the government crossed the line and violated their constitutional rights," said Francis Manion, senior counsel for the center, in a news release Friday. Larson previously settled her part of the four-year-old lawsuit out of court, said Gene Kapp, a spokesman for the center.
Good news the good guys won...this time.

right to peaceably assemble
Three words...campaign finance reform.

53 posted on 08/06/2002 6:08:40 AM PDT by Valin
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If anybody wants it, the direct link to that article by Mr. Greenhut:
The forgotten fundamental right

55 posted on 08/06/2002 6:47:18 AM PDT by First_Salute
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