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To: Luis Gonzalez
245(i) is not "amnesty", it simply establishes a period of time for illegals, or people whose status is in question for reasons ranging from an INS snafu, to their own ignorance, to step forward, voluntarily, and apply for a hearing to determine whether their status can be adjusted to "legal".

You omitted "entered without inspection." Figures.

Illegals are people who have no right to be here. Most people don't want them here, but you do. But you're uncomfortable stating so openly, so you're force to prance through all of your dishonesties.

Bottom line: Letting Illegals stay = Amnesty for those Illegals

This section 245(i) neither guarantees that a hearing will take place, or that the outcome will be a favorable one to the applicant.

Are you saying that's not true? If you are, can you prove your claim?

It's irrelevant.

When active, 245(i) guarantees that some portion of the Illegals currently trespassing in our country will be allowed to "change status."

That's sorta the point.

If a person who entered the country illegally, gets back across the border to Mexico (let's assume this person to be Mexican...assuming that being an illegal immigrant automatically makes you Mexican seems to be all the rage in FR these days), walks up to our consulate there, and applies for permission to migrate to the US. How would the consulate know that he'd been living in upper Tijuana (A.K.A. Los Angeles) for the past ten years?

They wouldn't. So your Prodigal Illegal would have to get in line and wait his turn, like every decent, honest immigrant candidate should.

Are you aware that for every Illegal Amnestied by 245(i), one decent immigrant candidate didn't get in? Amnestied Illegals count against their country's immigration quotas.

You would reward the lawless and punish the lawful. Some friend of immigrants you are.

Now, another reality that you ignore are the requirements that the applicant needs to meet in order to even qualify for a hearing, you never even bother posting them.

I didn't post them because the leverage selected Illegals use to take advantage of a 245(i) Amnesty is not relevant. What's relevant is that they are in violation of our laws, and folks like you don't want our laws enforced against them.

This is the reason you defend Section 245(I).

You also claim that I lie when I say that upon being declined for adjustment of status, the applicant is eligible for deportation, you can read it here.

No, I claimed that your attempt to spin 245(i) into some sort of deportation program earlier on this thread was laughable.

Your excerpt immediately above is a lie.

A couple more thoughts, while you are busy bashing Bush on this issue, all the while making light of his signing of the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act, you’ve been giving the Democrats a pass.

I made light of claims that Bush signing that Act without Amnesty was significant, not of the Act itself. Folks interested in the truth can see it here.

Giving Democrats a pass? We'll see.

So now, what have we learned, other than the fact that you must have graduated Summa Cum Laude from the Bill Clinton Institute of Spinology?

Clever. Spinology.

We have learned that 245(i) isn't amnesty...but rather than having everyone just take my word for it, let's quote a leading US Immigration Attorney:

You found an attorney who lies?

Shocking.

I don't care if you find a mathematics attorney who asserts that 2+2=5, it's still 4.

Mind you, this is a person whose job is to interpret the laws in a way that benefits her clientele.

Yeah… she'll have a bigger clientele if a 245(i) Amnesty Extension is passed. So, isn't in her self-interest to keep that unpopular Amnesty aspect of it under the radar?

You're a pretty amusing paradox, Luis. You have no fuel, you bring no heat...

But you're never out of gas.




1,242 posted on 06/06/2002 10:05:40 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
"You omitted "entered without inspection." Figures."

I also left out snuck in, jumped el Rio Grande, caught a rail...that's all you got left?

"Most people don't want them here, but you do. But you're uncomfortable stating so openly, so you're force to prance through all of your dishonesties."

"This is the reason you defend Section 245(I)."

Just so no one fails to notice, having absolutely no retorts to my post, you are now reduced to personal attacks, and lies.

I posted facts, and backed them up, you can't.

My goal is to expose you for the pompous fraud that you are, not to defend 245(i).

"It's irrelevant."

No, on the contrary, it's quite relevant. You basically called me a liar because I stated that 245(i) neither guaranteed a hearing, or a favorable outcome.

I proved you wrong, and substantiated my statement.

That proved you to be a liar.

"You would reward the lawless and punish the lawful. Some friend of immigrants you are."

Once again, you avoid the point, and indulge in personal attacks and emotional rants, rather than address the point I made, and substantiated.

Loser.

"What's relevant is that they are in violation of our laws, and folks like you don't want our laws enforced against them."

Are you ever actually going to even attempt to refute a single point I made?

Or are you simply going to hurl bovine manure at the wall?

Can you address one single point with anything other than an emoptional rant, and some insults?

“You also claim that I lie when I say that upon being declined for adjustment of status, the applicant is eligible for deportation, you can read it here.”—LG

"Your excerpt immediately above is a lie."—Saber.

Well, you said it here. I’m not the one lying, that seems to be your trick.

"Giving Democrats a pass? We'll see."

I figured that you would be all over Daschle for introducing 245(i) once again, an even more Liberal version of it, this past month.

Maybe I missed your posts attacking him. Link me to them?

"You found an attorney who lies?"

Personal attack in lieu of any sort of substance.

"Shocking."

What's shocking is your degeneration into petty personal attacks.

"I don't care if you find a mathematics attorney who asserts that 2+2=5, it's still 4."

Is this sort of you putting your hands over your ears, and squeezing your eyes shut?

"You're a pretty amusing paradox, Luis. You have no fuel, you bring no heat..."

"But you're never out of gas."

And you?

All magic and mirrors, an illusion, a mirage.

Without any sort of substance whatsoever, you'll fade into nothingness with little fanfare, real soon.

And you'll leave no void behind you.


1,255 posted on 06/06/2002 11:17:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Sabertooth
This bears repeating.

"You're a pretty amusing paradox, Luis.
You have no fuel,
you bring no heat...

But, you're never out of gas."

lmao

1,275 posted on 06/07/2002 8:12:02 AM PDT by 4Freedom
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