Posted on 03/29/2002 3:08:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW
Would you rather have [Gore, Clinton, Hillary]?
It's not so bad. They all do it.
We don't need principles. We need to win.
It's not W's job to decide what is Constitutional.
Did I get them all?
If CFR is a bad idea for whatever reason, fine, veto it. Just don't veto it because you think you know it is "unconstitutional."
Say, for example, "In my view, this bill shuts some people out of political debate and I think that's bad, so I'm vetoing this bill." That result may or may not be achieved constitutionally, but that doesn't matter in this example. It's just the president's opinion that it is a bad bill, that the bad it effects on the campaign system outweighs the good. So you disagree with Bush's view that the good in the bill outweighs the bad. Okay. But this is not abandoning the Constitution, especially when he knew the minute he signed it, the lawsuits would be filed to get the matter resolved by the judicial branch.
What makes you so sure the SC will rule against this bill??
I have taken your point of view for now and I see no action that is appropriate. Heck even trying to convince someone else that Bush sold us out isn't worth doing because, well, he already sold us. There is nothing left to redeem if he sold us.
So, upon adopting your view point there is no hope for any acceptable outcome therefore there is no point in a) worrying about voting b) worrying about how Bush takes care of any issues c) worrying about whether liberals continue to gain power.
Its all over. Lets just graciously hand over the Keyes (pun intened) to the Liberals, shut off the lights in CA, and go home.
The argument that the negative effects on my free speech don't offset the 'positive' improvements to campaigns is, in fact, his opinion on the bill.
If he knew the minute he signed it that the Supreme Court would strike down the 'bad' parts, he knew it was Unconstitutional. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's what I pay him for.
No difference. But this is a political website and we are discussing politics, after all. Hence the term, political compromise.
It seems to me that CFR breached the boundaries (the Constitution)...
President Bush said he thought parts of CFR, were constitutionally questionable.
Have no fear, the USSC will overturn the issue ad bans, which are a direct infringement of our second amendment right to freedom of speech.
Good idea. They have no gov't, we can start fresh with a constitution that has a clause for automatic removal of a president if its ever found that he signed an unconstitutional bill.
Heck even trying to convince someone else that Bush sold us out isn't worth doing because, well, he already sold us. There is nothing left to redeem if he sold us.
Not a bad point.
Seems to me its much easier to slam my point of view than advance yours. So, then, what now?
Your leading, I'm following but I warn you I don't dance well.
Sorry, but that's just never going to work for me.
Nobody wants to respond to this, we are just told to move along and support the Party or thus engaged in reductio absurdum argument.
Its way past my bedtime but I will leave you with one piece of advise. Get your CPA to do your projections. He shouldn't miss that you run into ALT min tax. No telling what else you are missing.
Its still tax season and I need my beauty sleep.
I see him appointing big-time conservatives in recess appointments. I see us gaining back an edge in the judiciary which dictates the morale compass this country follows.
Unless he totally caves in this war then I'd not vote for anyone but him; because the alternative is too frightening. I think its ridiculous to hold someone in this war between the parties to such a high bar; there is a reason no TRUE PUBLIC conservative could be elected in the election.
You people need to chill for a few months and the re-evaluate the fallout.
Why leave now? I set up your soapbox for you. I think you know the same thing I do...neither side wins on this one.
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