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Liberal Catholicism's Just Deserts
The American Prowler ^ | 3/1/02 | George Neumayr

Posted on 03/07/2002 6:29:25 PM PST by Antoninus

Liberal Catholicism's Just Deserts
By George Neumayr
Published 3/1/02 12:04:00 AM

The very liberals who wanted the sexual revolution to enter the Catholic Church are suddenly shocked at its effects on the priesthood.

After Vatican II, the American Catholic church very stupidly took the advice of the secular culture and adopted a permissive attitude toward sexuality. "Loosen up," "Don't be judgmental," "Accept nontraditional types into the priesthood," the secular culture outside and inside the church told the American bishops. And they did.

Seminaries soon became havens for sexual oddballs. Conservative Catholics predicted that this collapse in seminary admissions standards would lead to tragedy. But liberal Catholics -- heady with the "fresh air" in the church and scoffing at the old morality -- dismissed these traditionalists as cranks out of touch with the Zeitgeist.

True, the introduction of moral liberalism into the American Catholic church is not the only cause of the pedophilia problem in the church. Man's power to choose evil freely is the primary explanation for scandal. But moral liberalism -- which tends to rationalize and even sanctify the effects of Original Sin -- abets the spread of sexual sin in the church.

Psychologist William Coulson knows this well. In the 1960s, he counseled priests and nuns to "get in touch with their feelings," as he told me in an interview for a 1997 story in the "San Francisco Faith" newspaper. "My theories made priests and nuns feel good about being bad."

Working with his mentor Carl Rogers, an icon of 1960s relativistic non-directive therapy, Coulson conducted "sensitivity" training and "self-esteem" workshops for the Jesuit Order and several other religious groups eager to absorb the New Morality.

"Once we began to peel the onion at these workshops, there was no end to the shocking things people would say," he said. "They became persuaded of this subjective theory of morality which says that the highest morality is the one you locate within you. And after a while these religious forgot about the teachings of the church."

"After our workshop at Alma [the Jesuit seminary then in California], one of the young Jesuits wrote, 'Never in my life before that group experience had I experienced ME so intently," he said.

"The Franciscans were so enamored with our psychology that they introduced it to Saint Anthony's seminary in Santa Barbara. Years later, 11 or 12 friars were accused of molesting 34 high school boys. I'm afraid we planted the seeds and they carried the seeds to the next generation and they germinated."

Both Coulson and Rogers later repudiated their relativistic theories. "I greatly underestimated the reality of evil," said Rogers. "I hope Rogerian theory goes down the drain."

But the liberal culture in the American Catholic church -- aping the moral collapse in the secular order -- did not reject those theories. The bishops continued to accept deviants into the seminaries, telling appalled conservative Catholics that God wants the church to use "broken people" as instruments.

Now the church is paying for its betrayal of Catholic tradition. The remedy to its problems is to recover that tradition, not further weaken it.

But that is precisely what the liberal elite -- with crocodile tears blurring their vision -- are demanding of the church. They call on the church not to enforce the priestly vow of chastity with pre-Vatican II gravity, of course, but to abolish it.

"Celibacy is an onerous burden that can easily distort a person's psyche," says writer Andrew Sullivan in "Time" magazine. No, it is sexual immorality that distorts psyches. The pedophiles who entered the priesthood weren't celibate before ordination or afterwards.

Sullivan says "many sexually conflicted men gravitate to the priesthood precisely because it promises to put a straightjacket on their compulsions and confusions." No, they gravitated to the post-60s priesthood because the newly liberated church wouldn't put a straightjacket on their compulsions. Cultured deviants flocked to orders like the Jesuits because they knew the American church's new "enlightened" ethos was forgiving toward sexual irregularity.

"How can a church that preaches the impermissibility of so many forms of consensual, adult sex simultaneously tolerate, ignore or cover up the sexual abuse of children by its own priests?" asks Sullivan.

Very easily: It hasn't preached the impermissibility of "so many forms of consensual, adult sex" for decades. Rather, it largely accepted the anything-goes sexual revolution and is now facing the consequences of that corruption.

George Neumayr was recently a media fellow at the Hoover Institution.


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Exactly.
1 posted on 03/07/2002 6:29:25 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Claud; patent; Askel5; Notwithstanding; Cultural Jihad
Just about nails it, don't it?
2 posted on 03/07/2002 6:30:31 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
so what. who puts 'faith' or children in to these peoples hands? or saint-rosie O's hands?? let the primitive religions sink. let the modern religions of 'socialism' and 'green earth' also sink. now smart monkeys. we're on our own. let's figure out how...
3 posted on 03/07/2002 6:47:36 PM PST by colormebemused
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To: Antoninus
It's a fair article except for the headline. The liberals did their thing--and they are still doing it as they continue to age--but they are not the people who are suffering the consequences. The sufferers are children who were abused, children who were not properly taught their faith and have left the Church, and ordinary Catholics who have been maltreated by these same liberals. So I don't think it's a question of anyone receiving their just deserts, unless he means that God will straighten it all out in the next world.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. --Matthew 18:6

4 posted on 03/07/2002 6:49:07 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Antoninus
Well this explains why all the deviants enetered the seminary BUT still doesn't explain why heterosexual apllicants were not to be found .
Sullivan is right. In the modern world where the sexes co mingle so freely in schools , the workplace , sports, social activities etc to expect a normal heterosexual male select a vocation and remain remain celibate is stupid. Let them marry. Some of the staunchest anti abortion moral religious leaders are MARRIED fundalmentalist protestant preachers
5 posted on 03/07/2002 6:52:55 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Cicero
So I don't think it's a question of anyone receiving their just deserts,

EXACTLY
It is the children of hard working parents who have sacrificed to pay the tuition to Catholic schools so their children would receive a decent education who have been utterly betrayed by these hypocrit Cardinals who should be in jail.
These people are disgusting
And the POPE sits on his hands and does nothing

Church needes a schism to survive
6 posted on 03/07/2002 6:58:46 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
If we listed all the weird stuff done by married people, it would fill a stack of CDs.
7 posted on 03/07/2002 7:00:39 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Antoninus
I agree. Priests don't become pedophiles. Pedophiles become priests. I also think the church should follow the lead of the Boy Scouts and not allow homosexuals to become priests.
8 posted on 03/07/2002 7:00:48 PM PST by lara
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To: lara
The original Inquisition went after heretics. We need and American Inquisition to root out and defrock the perverts. If they've done anything criminal, turn them over to the secular authorities, like the original Inquisition did.

Ab

9 posted on 03/07/2002 7:04:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: uncbob
Sullivan also points out that many of the priests were seminarians in the 40s and 50s, not 60s.

It's fun to blame it on the 60s and Vatican II, but it's complete BS. It happened before all of that.

This article is a case of someone with an agenda making up facts to support it.

10 posted on 03/07/2002 7:07:36 PM PST by John H K
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To: uncbob
Well this explains why all the deviants enetered the seminary BUT still doesn't explain why heterosexual apllicants were not to be found.

Perhaps because, once the homos were in control of the seminaries, they meticulously weeded out the orthodox applicants? I'll assume you're not a RC so you probably haven't heard this little wrinkle. Pious, holy men do hear God's call quite frequently. Until recently, they've run into a brick wall of feminists and homosexuals blocking the door to the seminary. It's time to push them aside ... and out.
12 posted on 03/07/2002 7:10:54 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Cicero
It's a fair article except for the headline. The liberals did their thing--and they are still doing it as they continue to age--but they are not the people who are suffering the consequences.

An excellent point, actually, and one that didn't strike me. Some would argue that the liberals are getting exactly what they want - a Church whose prestige is greatly diminished and the ability to ride to the 'rescue' with their 'solutions' of more lax rules, women priests, married priests, etc. In other words, if the poison is making you sick, a larger dose will surely help you recover.
13 posted on 03/07/2002 7:15:12 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: uncbob
And the POPE sits on his hands and does nothing

Oh? Have you been to the Vatican lately? Do you know what the Pope does on any given day?

Church needes a schism to survive

Nah, a serious crackdown would drive most of the pedophiles and homos out. Break the chain somewhere and they'll start outing each other left and right. It's about to get really ugly, I predict.
14 posted on 03/07/2002 7:18:34 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: uncbob
Uncbob:

Why don't you fess up to what your real problem with Catholicism is? Until you do you will look like nothing but an opportunistic Catholic-basher. Anyone who thinks that there is something about celibacy that will lead an otherwise straight man to molest boys is toting less than a full six-pack. Likewise anyone who thinks that forcing marriage on the otherwise lavender will guarantee that they will avoid the practice of that which flips the switch of a homosexual pederast.

If you are married, do you think that is all that keeps you away from ten-year-old boys? If you are not married but are attracted to what adult female paramour has to offer, whether you practice that or not, can you imagine pursuing and molesting a ten-year-old boy as a substitute?

Inquiring loyal Catholics would like to know. So would some of our solid friends and fellow soldiers of Christ in this fallen world who are of the Reformed Christian persuasion but are so joyous in their love of the Lord and in the Word of the Lord that they practice and spread their own faith on the merits and do not define themselves by bashing Catholics and Catholicism.

15 posted on 03/07/2002 7:18:58 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: edmund929
Amen! And Amen!!

That was one heck of a homily, and a rousing battle cry! Your moving essay should be read from every pulpit of every Catholic Church on Easter Sunday.

So many Catholics have forgotten WHO we are and WHY we are here.

Soldiers in the Army of Christ, go out and fight!

16 posted on 03/07/2002 7:28:43 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Antoninus
Similar topics are also detailed in the 1983 James Hitchcock book The Pope and the Jesuits.
Recommended to understand the cultural atmosphere leading up to the present absurdities.
We've been complaing about this stuff for years.


17 posted on 03/07/2002 7:33:32 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Antoninus
The problem is liberal Catholicism turns around and blames it on nonliberal Catholicism.
18 posted on 03/07/2002 7:38:25 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Antoninus
Nah, a serious crackdown would drive most of the pedophiles and homos out. ----

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The problem is the Church is so compromised thet there is nobody to do the cracking, or there is too much protective compromise infiltrated within the church.

19 posted on 03/07/2002 7:42:00 PM PST by RLK
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To: Antoninus
The bright spot is that there are Catholics out there who haven't bought in to the story. I know it has been said many times. but "the gates of hell shall not prevail"

It shows the power of Jesus' words and the guidance of the Holy Spirit sent by God to protect His Church that the Catholic Church still stands and will forever. Jesus also told of the trials of His true Church and all you have to do is look around to see the truth of it. So pray hard and pray often because God will continue to bless the Church even in trials.

20 posted on 03/07/2002 7:43:06 PM PST by tiki
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