DANIELLE'S DEATH MAY REMAIN MYSTERY: (30 Days Ago, Van Dam Case Broke! Details Now Being Revealed!)

KOGO Radio 600 (Daily Telegraph) ^ | March 3, 2002 | KOGO

[FresnoDA]

CAUSE OF GIRL'S DEATH COULD REMAIN MYSTERY

Police say they may never know how Danielle van Dam died, or when. The seven-year-old girl disappeared from her San Diego home February first. Authorities are now confirming that a child's body found by volunteer searchers Wednesday is that of the missing child. The district attorney says an autopsy performed confirmed her identity yesterday. The identification was made through dental records because of the condition of the body. Medical examiners are trying to determine the cause of death, but Police Chief Dave Bejerano says it's possible that we'll never know how, or when she was killed. A neighbor has been charged with kidnapping and murdering her. Authorities say they found the girl's blood on his clothing and in his motor home. He has pleaded innocent.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

Would you ask him if the investigators who found out about the so called swinger's club found out if the club is limited an entirely upper-income friends?

I could ask if I knew what that has to do with anything.

BTW, he has gotten no new information since he first told me of this weeks ago. As I said, sometimes contact with fellow LEOs is few and far between because of the round-the-clock shifts that they work. His friend (source) works in another city and PD.

[cake_crumb]

LOL...I would not equate an ankle bracelet with wearing my brassiere on the outside of my blouse OR with false eyelashes...though I've always found false eyelashes to be fascinating. I've heard that some types require GLUE...imagine putting GLUE on your eyes!

You seem to be confusing the history of chokers ( a new name for an old piece of jewelery ) with symbols of bondage.

During the Victorian era, nearly every woman of quality owned an expensive black velvet ribbon, from which to hang their costly heirloon cameo.

The S&M stuff got popular in the '70's, which is recent history. Don't let the fact that the freaks stole a tradition confuse you about the origins of that tradition.

One peice of jewelery you SHOULD take exception to is the nose ring. Throught history - until now, that is - the nose ring was a symbol of slavery. Freemen didn't wear them. Yes, in Briton 1,000 years ago, white male slaves wore the collar. Not females.

[afraidfortherepublic]

7 year olds crawl into bed on their own.

Unless they fall asleep in the living room. And a lot of dads don't have much to say about how their children (especially the girls) dress. Mom makes all those decisions. As we have seen, Mom marches to a different drummer and probably was quite lenient when it came to the children. That may not be your choice or my choice of how to raise a child, but it doesn't mean she was raising a child for bondage games, either.

My children never wore jewelry, but some little girls do; and it doesn't mean a thing about their moral character, or the moral character of their parents. And some kids get very attached to certain things and beg to take or wear them to bed. An indulgent dad might not want to put up with a scene about it.

I would never put a child to bed wearing a necklace, but this necklace is woven on flexible elastic and is not a choking or strangulation hazard for a 7 year old. Earrings are another matter. I would think that they would hurt (mine do) but I know people who never take them off. My children were not allowed to have pierced ears either.

[Freedom2specul8]

I understand. I look at things like that similar to the telephone game and go on.

[crypt2k]

Would you ask him if the investigators who found out about the so called swinger's club found out if the club is limited an entirely upper-income friends?

If this is a club are there "dues"? Money for drugs and toys and to buy silence?

If the van Dams weren't invloved in all this the case would be a lot simpler, lo, there probably would have been no case at all IMHO.

We reap what we sow.

[Doc Savage]

It all seems rather straight forward to me.

1. The parents acted inattentively, inappropriately and negligently towards their children on the night of her disappearance.

I have been married for 30 years and have five daughters. My wife has never left me or the children to go drink and dance at a "roadhouse" ever. Every child was always personally tucked in bed and checked on every night. To do any less would have been to have acted negligently on their behalf.

2. The 'affect' of the parents has been highly unusual under the circumstances.

The father has never appeared distraught or even mildly anguished over his daughter's disappearance and murder. At times he seems to smirk with a callous smugness. The mother alternates between pseudo grief and a genuine love for notariety. They strike me as a most unusal couple and as a most unusual set of parents.

3. There seems to be significant differences in the stories told by the mother and the defendant.

Although I have little doubt of his guilt, the behaviour and suggestive background of the parents would appear to have negatively impacted the safety and security of their children. I believe there is a real concern here that a promiscuous lifestyle may have placed all their children at risk. 4. The defense may reveal a great deal more information about the parents at trial.

[nicmarlo]

if this Damon character was actually the father of all the children. Maybe Danielle wasn't his?

That's curious....I haven't heard anything about that possibility; and given this lifestyle, it certainly imposes that risk, as well, that the husband wouldn't be the father.

[spectre]

I find it abit unusual for a 7 year-old child to be "put to bed" past 10pm. They usually can't stay awake that long anyway.

Somewhere, I heard one of the van Dams say that Danielle was a heavy sleeper and most likely thought it was her father carrying her, instead of the perp.

OTOH that the van Dams also said that Danielle "sleep-walked"...

These people had an answer to most everything, except the "swinging" question. I'm sure their PR team would have advised them to come clean on that, if they WERE...but they're not!

sw

[MizSterious]

If one is motivated, one can find an excuse and a rationalization for anything. Reminds me of the new age crystal bunnies that sometimes turn up on mailing lists.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

While on the topic, tongue piercing is really bad news. I didn't realize until I learned recently that the wound never actually heals and it is a breeding ground for all kinds of ugly stuff.

I hate them anyway, but they are also extremely unhealthy.

[FixitGuy]

Okay, What the heck is an LEO? I'm a VIRGO myself

[SlickWillard]

Any dinosaur is still a cute one..but watch out for those teeth!

Not to worry: After spending the afternoon jousting with you ladies, I've been thoroughly defanged.

[FresnoDA]

I hear ya Doc, after the revealations Friday on John and Ken, along with the "inside" view of the VD house, I am in agreement with you. As for DAMON being the BIO DAD, anybody got news about that???

[Freedom2specul8]

LOL! I'm sure one of us can whip up a fantastic meat pudding for you. :)

[FresnoDA]

As mentioned to Doc, that has been local San Diego talk show stuff, but I have seen nothing in print??? Kim or Hillary??? Anything about that??? Who is the biodad?

[Freedom2specul8]

LEO = Law Enforcement OFficers..

[cake_crumb]

"And a lot of dads don't have much to say about how their children (especially the girls) dress."

My Hubby must be an exception.

[Freedom2specul8]

LOL~ The parents were married more than 10 yrs...danielle was less than 10 yrs when the pedophile murdered her. that's all I know.

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I look at things like that similar to the telephone game and go on

What exactly is this suppoed to mean, Kim?

You have exhibited a lot of nastiness here but if you are insinuating that I am lying, you have crossed the line of smugness into really ugly self-righteousness. Being a know-it-all has never flattered anyone and you are no different.

[MizSterious]

On another thread, it was speculated that perhaps the "dues" amounted to starring in the triple x videos, perhaps sold on the internet or through sleazy magazine ads. It was just speculation, although someone else turned up an article about videos being found of that nature. Since it's not from a news source, we have to take it for what it's worth until more facts come in.