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‘It Isn’t Over Yet’:SDPD Chief Bejarano talks about latest developments in van Dam Case
Newsweek-Website ^ | March 1, 2002 | NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

Posted on 03/01/2002 7:36:24 AM PST by FresnoDA

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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To: Churchillspirit
Having a 'war record' (whatever that means) does not entitle someone to abandon good manners.

What it means is that that looneytunes tried to accuse me of being a phoney on another thread,and I called him/her/it on that.

501 posted on 03/01/2002 2:04:49 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Illbay
He wants us all to proclaim that there is NEVER a case where "government" should step in and save kids.

Yates.

End of discussion.

502 posted on 03/01/2002 2:05:47 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Travis McGee
, taken THAT VERY DAY, prior to a family trip to Italy for reasons unexplained.

It's called a "family vacation". They were also going to Disneyworld in Orlando. The family has bucks.

503 posted on 03/01/2002 2:06:21 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Travis McGee
Chokers remind me of 1890s saloon ladies with hitched up dresses, but then my taste in movies runs more to John Wayne than John Holmes.

Around her neck, she wore a yellow ribbon
She wore it in the Springtime and the merry month of May...

504 posted on 03/01/2002 2:06:46 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: sneakypete
No Sneaky, not sulking. Just being observant.
505 posted on 03/01/2002 2:07:56 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: SlickWillard
Here's some fashion advice: If you want the men in your life to think that you're a hooker, a nympho, an S&M slave, or some other kind of a weirdo, then wear a choker around your neck.

Grow up.

506 posted on 03/01/2002 2:11:27 PM PST by Fury
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To: monkeywrench; Irish guard
"You can all jump on me for the rumor thing, but how do you make ends meet at $125,000/yr.(gross)and a mortgage of $300,000? That is a big jump in risk."

Maybe they had an inheritance somewhere along the line.

Maybe they had a 'cash' business that was off the books.

507 posted on 03/01/2002 2:13:45 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: shadowman99
Please consider your original statement.

"These people don't act like the Yates." I am inferring from this, that you mean "hey, the Yates were Christian nutcases. THESE guys are nice, normal swingers. I can relate to that!"

That's the way it sounded to me.

I do think it is quite strange the ease with which he forgave his wife and ran to her defense after she killed his five children.

I, too, think it bizarre. But that's not the same thing as "criminal."

Travis McGee might tell you that HE thinks it's bizarre that the van Dams choreograph every press conference, and that he has it from personal knowledge that she turns the faucet on and off for the cameras.

Now, to me (assuming that's true), that is not so much "bizarre" behavior as it is SUSPICIOUS. One might make the case that someone who wished to allay all suspicion would behave in that way.

Whereas, Russell Yates' behavior is weird because it is too disarmingly (and naively) unexpected. Why would he behave that way? If he were truly guilty, I would expect him to disavow her and paint her as the sole, evil villain.

Do not forget that the reason the Ramsays have stayed under such a cloud of suspicion is that they did much the same things the van Dams are doing, refusing to answer certain questions, telling people that their apparent kinky sexual lifestyle has no bearing on anything, hiring a P.R. firm, etc.

Russell Yates gets the business because he is loyal to his wife, the murderer of his children, and no one can understand that (including myself as it happens). But since the van Dams seem to be putting up the correct front, seem to be more savvy in their manipulations, they AREN'T suspicious.

To me, it's "bass ackwards."

508 posted on 03/01/2002 2:14:06 PM PST by Illbay
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To: FresnoDA
Scuse my speling erir, but since you brought up scriptures...

Ye who is without sin, please cast the first stone..

Proverbs 16

27 A scoundrel plots evil, and his speech is like a scorching fire.
28 A perverse man stirs up dissension, and a gossip separates close friends.
29 A violent man entices his neighbor and leads him down a path that is not good.


1 Timothy 5

12 Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge.
13 Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to.
14 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.


3 John 1

9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us.
10 So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.
11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.

509 posted on 03/01/2002 2:15:40 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Naked Lunch
Wow, shocking, explicit and damning accusations now being aired on the John and Ken Show on KFI 640 AM Los Angeles.

I find this extremely hard to believe.

However, since I dont want to repeat unfounded acusations that have not yet appeared in print, I leave it to y'all to listen to the charges yourselves.

510 posted on 03/01/2002 2:16:24 PM PST by Naked Lunch
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To: sneakypete
There's not anything "old fashioned, traditional" about it, that's for sure.

But I wasn't referring to "swinging." I was referring to the notion--which is very, very new--that someone's private character has no bearing on their relationships with others, nor on their citizenship. That's a VERY new idea, and flies in the face of millenia of tradition.

511 posted on 03/01/2002 2:16:38 PM PST by Illbay
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To: sneakypete
You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to link a child's innocent fascination with a necklace with S&M crap.

For the last time:

CHILDREN DO NOT DRESS THEMSELVES!!!

CHILDREN ARE NOT DRESSED BY ANONYMOUS POSTERS AT INTERNET BULLETIN BOARDS LIKE FREEREPUBLIC.COM!!!

CHILDREN ARE DRESSED BY THEIR PARENTS!!!

DANIELLE VAN DAM DID NOT DRESS HERSELF IN THE COSTUME OF AN S&M BONDAGE SLAVE!

SLICKWILLARD DID NOT DRESS DANIELLE VAN DAM IN THE COSTUME OF AN S&M BONDAGE SLAVE!

DANIELLE VAN DAM'S PARENTS, BRENDA AND DAMON VAN DAM, ARE THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR DRESSING DANIELLE VAN DAM AS AN S&M BONDAGE SLAVE!!!

PLEASE BLAME HER PARENTS, NOT ME!!!

I'm just an observer who made the mistake of recording his observations.
512 posted on 03/01/2002 2:16:49 PM PST by SlickWillard
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To: FresnoDA

BREAKING HARD ON KFI IN LA ON THE JOHN AND KEN SHOW!

/1/ Reportedly "Stay at home engineer/inventor" Westerfield is telling police that he had been boffing stay at home mom Brenda.

/2/ The inside of Westergfield's RV is a semen lab, which is keeping the lab boys very busy.

/3/ SOME OF THE PORNO TAKEN FROM WESTERFIELD'S HOUSE INCLUDES GAY MALE PORN SHOT IN THE VAN DAMM'S GARAGE!!!!!

Lots more breaking fast! Sources are in the SDPD!!!!

513 posted on 03/01/2002 2:17:07 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete
I PERSONALLY don't give a damn if he is TWO white guys,a black guy,and a Eskimo guy,all in one package. All I care about is "Is he guilty of this murder?".

Yes, I agree. It's just too bad that in our present society, that doesn't happen.

In our present society, if you are the right color or sex, you CAN get away with murder. That is the legacy of Mr. Orenthal James Simpson.

514 posted on 03/01/2002 2:18:27 PM PST by Illbay
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To: SlickWillard;golitely;Naked Lunch;Doc Savage,Illbay,sneakypete,Registered
SEE 513!!!!
515 posted on 03/01/2002 2:19:10 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete
Oh, and I would add, it is the reason why posters and celebratory articles regarding Angela Davis can be found in your average inner-city high school during black history month, or that Rev. Al Sharpton can ponder a Presidential candidacy.
516 posted on 03/01/2002 2:19:50 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Travis McGee
/1/ Reportedly "Stay at home engineer/inventor" Westerfield is telling police that he had been boffing stay at home mom Brenda.

/2/ The inside of Westergfield's RV is a semen lab, which is keeping the lab boys very busy.

/3/ SOME OF THE PORNO TAKEN FROM WESTERFIELD'S HOUSE INCLUDES GAY MALE PORN SHOT IN THE VAN DAMM'S GARAGE!!!!!

I don't suppose this will help to vindicate me, or the manifestly unpopular observations I made on this thread.

517 posted on 03/01/2002 2:21:05 PM PST by SlickWillard
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Good Heavens. How do you debark a dog? Do people really do that? Is it some kind of surgery?

It is not uncommon to "debark" trained attack dogs. This is done through surgical removal of their vocal chords, by someone who has a very unpleasant, nasty streak, and would rather have the dogs CATCH an intruder--who would never hear them coming--than drive him off.

518 posted on 03/01/2002 2:22:26 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
And you SEEM to be implying, by your statement that "I wouldn't leave my child alone with ANY adult," that the risk is JUST as great whether he's a clergyman, or a policeman, or a teacher, or a nurse...or a swinging partner.

I believe then that your entire problem with my posistion is based on an error in reading. Here is what I wrote:

It woudl depend on the term "interact". I assume my children interact with child molesters everday but I have no idea who they are. They can be their scout leaders, their pastor, the babysitter, teacher, relative. They can be just about anyone. I cannot control the potential actions of everyone my children contact. I can have some control over their environment. The primary control is not to let them be alone in private with anyone.

Let me expand on the above and explain. First, I aknowledged that I can only have "some" control over their environment. Not absolute control. This implies that there will be times when I cannot control their environment and my children will completely on their own.

The statement which follows says that of many ways top control the environment my children are in the primary way is to see to it that they are not alone "in private". This qualifier was apparently too weak to convey my meaning fully. "In private" was meant to convey that my child may be alone with a trusted adult but not be "in private" meaning for example behind a locked door where no other adult can have access. In private means that even though they may be alone it is not likely in an evironment that is not totally private.

519 posted on 03/01/2002 2:23:00 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: sneakypete
It will be interesting hearing what his two grown children say--as well as his two ex-wives.
520 posted on 03/01/2002 2:23:41 PM PST by MizSterious
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