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The extent to which our culture has been feminized
jewish world review ^ | Jan. 10, 2001 | Betsy Hart

Posted on 02/08/2002 10:06:17 PM PST by Buffalo Bob

SEVERAL WEEKS AGO I was attending a lovely party with my family when I overhead a group of four grown men in their 30s and 40s, with no women in their immediate circle, discussing. . . sports? The stock market? No. They were deep in conversation about pregnancy and childbirth.

One fellow with an expectant wife talked about how "we" just had a sonogram, and "we" think this and that of "our" obstetrician, while the others discussed how quickly or slowly their wives had dilated during birth, and things like their feelings when the baby "crested," how they had cut "the cord," what they thought about whether or not "their" childbirth instructor had fully prepared them for the event and so on.

I found the fact that grown men would be voluntarily steeped in such conversation to be at best a little weird. I mean, it's a discussion that the previous 5,000 years worth of their male predecessors wouldn't have dreamed of having. At worst, it's just one more example of the extent to which our culture has been feminized.

I don't just mean men having conversations about obstetrics. I mean that today it seems all things having to do with womanhood are inherently "good." All things having to do with traditional, masculine notions of manhood are "bad." Nurturing, communicating, and sharing are "in." Competitiveness, aggressiveness, and even suggesting that one shouldn't always blubber to a friend about one's feelings is "bad."

Nowhere was this better seen than in our soft and gauzy "do anything to appeal to the women" election cycle we just witnessed. Forget facts, figures, and data. Tears, feelings, long kisses and appearances on Oprah were the centerpiece of this years campaign strategies.

Our military is just one institution that's been smothered by the woman's touch. Thanks to the demands of women in the military, the newest Navy ships being built now include better bathroom fans because of hairspray and brighter lighting for make-up, more room for the extra toilet paper women require and gentler washing machines for the delicate undergarments of our women warriors.

In the workplace the same women who can supposedly handle a fighter aircraft in pitched battle with the enemy (apparently after properly spraying their hair) become delicate flowers who desperately need the federal government's protection against every imagined or real offense from the resident office boor.

Back on the homefront, men are supposed to understand the feelings of their wives and girlfriends and never, NEVER suggest that she may simply be overly sensitive (they are to understand at all times that they are the ones who are not communicating or are not sensitive enough.) And they sure as heck had better fully support their wife's career - or choice to stay home - while changing an equal number of diapers, spending quality time caring for the children, and worrying endlessly about the little one's latest rash or cough.

And anyway when she's birthing the baby, he'd better be there for every gory, painful, "beautiful" moment no matter how much he'd rather be having a double root canal without anesthesia. That's NON-NEGOTIABLE.

(But, he'd also better understand that if she hears a bump downstairs in the in the middle of the night, he's the one who is going to jump out of bed to check it out.)

Bonobos are chimp-like primates in Africa. They are vegetarian, promiscuous, bi-sexual and matriarchal. Male Bonobos depend on their mothers for protection all their lives. In fact in a clan of Bonobos males achieve status largely by being the sons of important females. This strikes me as the feminist fantasy vision for America.

Hey, I'm hardly against men pitching in around the house and helping with kids, or listening to their wives concerns (in fact as a mother of three with another little one on the way, I'm all for it.)

But I am against the feminization of the culture in the sense that traditional feminine virtues are more and more considered vastly superior to traditional masculine virtues. So much so, that men and boys are being both subtly and overtly encouraged to be more, well, womanly.

Sure, we have lots to learn from each other. And anyway not all women are strong on the "traditional" feminine traits nor men on the masculine ones. Still, when as a culture we seek to feminize men, instead of civilize them, we lose something precious: that wonderful and unique combination and coupling of strengths that the different sexes generally bring both to successful relationships and a successful culture.

Instead, we get the war between the sexes that both sides lose.


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1 posted on 02/08/2002 10:06:17 PM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: Buffalo Bob
Big Burly Bump
2 posted on 02/08/2002 10:12:40 PM PST by Pistias
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To: Buffalo Bob
There is no way I would scratch my ass around that bunch....sheeeeee
3 posted on 02/08/2002 10:16:55 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Buffalo Bob
I'm sorry, I couldn't finish reading your post before I barfed all over my computer screen.
4 posted on 02/08/2002 10:47:14 PM PST by A6M3
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To: Buffalo Bob
She's not kidding about bonobo chimps being a "feminist fantasy vision." Many years ago, I read an article by a leftist author praising these particular animals. Apparently, they trade sexual favors without regard to gender, status, or age, to avoid conflict over things like food and territory. The author expressed the wistful hope that the human species would one day "evolve" to follow the bonobos' example...
5 posted on 02/08/2002 10:49:57 PM PST by Ultima Thule
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To: Buffalo Bob
Women getting mouthy and pushy is not a new thing. There's a verse in Isaiah that laments that "children are their oppressors, and women rule over them." And there's a verse in IIRC Hosea about the "fat cows of Bashan, who say to their husbands "Bring, that we may drink!" Men are gonna act like men again - it will come. A major shooting war with massive mobilization, a depression - it will come. And the best women will benefit from it - womanly virtues, chastity and honoring men will be rewarded as it should be. The "GI Jane" nonsense will be knocked into a cocked hat...
6 posted on 02/08/2002 11:00:13 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: Buffalo Bob
I read this article and I think of Al Gore.
7 posted on 02/08/2002 11:00:39 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: Buffalo Bob
What red-blooded woman would be attracted to such a man? If I want a girlfriend, I'll find a girl! It's really too bad that our schools are turning out persons who are afraid to be themselves. I married someone fifteen years my senior, but I found him to be a MAN! I may be unusual but when looking for a new book to read, I avoid women authors; I find that male authors are much more reliable. Touchy, feely makes me sick to my stomach. I'm interested in facts not feelings. I'm so glad that some people: eg Andrew Sullivan, are going into book recommendations. Oprah's are titles I'd go a long way to avoid. But then her authors write about hating men and women being the only achievers while men are fighting them all the way. I, on the other hand, love men and found them to have been very supportive all during my career as an IBM Systems Designer. Go, Guys, Go.
8 posted on 02/08/2002 11:08:11 PM PST by SouthCarolinaKit
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To: 185JHP
"A major shooting war with massive mobilization, a depression - it will come. And the best women will benefit from it - womanly virtues, chastity and honoring men will be rewarded as it should be. The "GI Jane" nonsense will be knocked into a cocked hat..."

Many men of today have bought into the nonsense that women should have as many lovers as possible before they offer their lily-white hands to the man they choose to honor with supporting them in their waning years. Of course, many men think they should have as many lovers as possible as well. And fifty percent of first time marriages go down the tubes.

9 posted on 02/08/2002 11:20:27 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Don Myers
Old ways are best. Much better that females be demure and chaste, than "noisy swinging gates." When the women straighten up, men will too. Abstinence works every time it is tried. FReegards
10 posted on 02/08/2002 11:26:46 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP
"Much better that females be demure and chaste, than "noisy swinging gates." "

Swinging gates certainly describes the women of today.

11 posted on 02/08/2002 11:28:05 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Buffalo Bob
I remember this column when it originally came out. Isn't this something like the inverse of that Gloria Steinem quote, ``We've become the men we wanted to marry.''
12 posted on 02/08/2002 11:34:27 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Buffalo Bob
Bumpity bump bump bump! If some guy started to talk this way to me I'd (figure it for yourself cus da moderator is on duty now and he ain't lettin nothin slide). LOL!
13 posted on 02/08/2002 11:40:31 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: nickcarraway
"girly boys"

vs. "girly-girl"

14 posted on 02/08/2002 11:44:16 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: let freedom sing
Yes! This column is reminiscent of ``The eunuchs are whining'' and other Ann Coulter columns.
15 posted on 02/08/2002 11:53:53 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Buffalo Bob
"Our" culture hasn't been feminized - Blue Nation's has!

Guys here in North Carolina are much more likely to spend their weekend browsing at a nearby gun show, debating the merits of various all-terrain vehicles with their friends, or arguing with their friends about who's best in NASCAR than chatting with their buddies about "their" (wife's) sonogram!

16 posted on 02/08/2002 11:58:50 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: let freedom sing
Excerpts:

Men are out in the driving rain trying to change a tire, while the womenfolk sit in a warm roadside cafe demanding to know what's taking so long. Just pipe down! The men are working as fast as they can.

Women - and I don't mean to limit that to the biological sense - always become hysterical at the first sign of trouble. They have no capacity to solve problems, so instead they fret. But despite the fearful fifth columnists whiling away the war naysaying America's response, we will win this war.

You just stay warm, girls … the men are fixing the car

17 posted on 02/09/2002 12:06:33 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Good analogy
18 posted on 02/09/2002 12:17:44 AM PST by cinciphil
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To: Buffalo Bob
I can't believe how far off base this woman is. I enjoy sitting around talking out my problems with my wife and mother-in-law. Why just the other day I was explaining how much happier I am now that I've given up beer and girlie magazines for a few sips of wine a couple of hours with Cosmo...

Ah... my wife left for a moment. I don't really feel his way and the article is right o...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Ouch! Oooo. Eeeek. Bim, bam, boom, zonk, slap, punch...

The wife is back! Gotta go.

19 posted on 02/09/2002 1:02:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Don Myers
The Song of Solomon describes the way for them to get respect - be like a wall. They'll come around.
20 posted on 02/09/2002 1:03:02 AM PST by 185JHP
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