Send in the Clowns - The Enron hearings.

National Review Online ^ | 2/8/02 | Mark R. Levin

[BikerNYC]

...let the vesting period investments be shifted out of Enron stock.

That's the key.

[plain talk]

Your concerns sound like they have less to do with Enron specifically than 401K's in general which are ensnarled in guvmint tax rules etc As far as the execs go, when they quit they probably cash out, stock options come due etc. There's a lot of people jumping to a lot of conclusions without all the facts. Some of it is class warfare based. I find all the hysteria about this one company going under ridiculous. There are more serious issues to worry about - like getting the overall economy going again with tax cuts, get drilling going in Anwar, etc. This whole Enron thing is being driven by dems and the media with nothing better to do.

[okie01]

"I think it would be wise for Conservatives to join the attack..."

Have you seen a conservative -- anybody, actually -- defend what went on at Enron?

Here at FR, you have seen some people questioning what really happened, and questioning the motivations of the Congress and the media. They have defended the Bush administration, against the onslaughts of the Democrats and the media, but you haven't seen anybody defending Enron.

If you have, I'd appreciate some examples of what you mean.

[plain talk]

The problem is you have zero evidence of your accusations. It's hard to have an intelligent discourse with liberals over things like this because you guys have already made up your mind without all the facts. The class warfare stuff has tainted your minds to where you can't deal with facts. Why get evidence and a jury? Hey, let's just hang em right now.

The government screws us out of a third of our income every day and there's less concern. Since you are so concerned about retirement, why not discuss how democrats bilked trillions from Social Security funds for liberal giveaways to buy votes? That's the real crime. Where are my Social Security funds I put in. Why don't I have an account where my money makes at least 5-10% or more a year instead of less than 1%? Why can't democrats even allow a vote on privatizing a portion of social security. We should privatize half of Social Security or scrap it.

[okie01]

"The people are safe since Jennings and ABC are on this. Enron is looking cleaner and cleaner everyday."

You don't read that as sarcasm and a pointed comment about the media, rather than about Enron?

Did you check your sense of irony at the door?

[plain talk]

Just because I'm pissed about Enron does NOT make me a liberal. ... After the stock market bubble burst, privatizing FICA is dead. It lives on, zombie-style/, as a some kind of pipe-dream of Merrill Lynch board members

ha ha ha You're right, you're no liberal. You're an ice-cream socialist. I forgot. You hate board members and rich people who pay the bills of government. 5% of Americans pay 50% of the taxes. It's always interested me how the people paying the bills are trashed. The poor people of this country should get down on their hands and knees and thank these rich people for paying for their wonderful "entitlement" programs.

Stock market bubble burst? really? What's the S&P return annualized over the last 5 years compared to the social security annualized return? last 50 years? Or any 5-50 year period you choose. If more people were even aware of these things they would demand privatization of ALL of their social security. Facts are an inconvenience for liberals who depend on slogans, propaganda and ignorance to shove their policies down our throats.

The fact freepers even carry on polite, reasonable conversations with liberals who steal our money and won't even bother to thank those from whom the money comes is quite a contrast to how Freepers are treated at the liberal sites. Think about that.